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Sep 05, 2011 22:48 |  #31

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I don't know on this iMac. When I try to research backing up I get referrals to Time Machine which, when I try to set up asks me to assign an External drive for it. Duh. That's my whole problem! Yeah I'll just let the experts handle it since we're talking all of my on-going processing jobs!

So Michelle, the question I have and the suggestion that both Tim and I have brought up:

First, do you really need to back up the external drive, as in with special software? The point is that you should be able to copy all your data from the one drive to another, I don't know how to a quick copy with Macs, but on Windows it was just a matter of selecting all the top-level "stuff", selecting Copy, open a Parent folder on the second drive, and then Paste. Then take a coffee break while the system is performing the copy and then if you want, you can verify some things to make sure things "behaved". From there, it's a matter of doing the reformatting.

Of course you need to figure out how to do the copy and paste and how to reformat in the Mac but those things should be very simple, and if you ask here you will get quick answers.

Then, once you have formatted, you then go back to the second drive, open the parent folder you used, then just select/copy and paste onto your newly formatted drive.

It's not complicated once you get the few little "how to"s down!


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Sep 06, 2011 05:27 |  #32

For TimeMachine, I think the disk has to be osx formatted.
You want to use an empty disk for TM.

For your existing NTFS drives; there are ways to get OSX to read and write to it. The simple one is not free, the free ones aren't all that difficult though.

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http://www.paragon-software.com/home/ntfs​-mac/ (external link)

On the permissions: If you are logged on as administrator, you should be able to fix the permissions I'd think.

Click the drive icon, hit Cmd+i and say what it says about permissions:
Click the lock to make changes: You'll be asked your admin user name and password

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Sep 06, 2011 09:49 |  #33

I guess I'm missing something (probablilty high!) but yes, as I see it I do have to back up the external drive before I reformat it becuase the instructions I've found online say all the data on it will be lost whwn it's reformmated. Is that what you were asking?

I have no idea how to do a quick copy on a Mac. I'm still tyring to learn how to use this crazy mouse! :) Seriously, my husband is taking the iMac in to our computer guy this a.m. to install MS Office & he's goign to get him to reformat the external drives for me. I just can't risk losing any of my sessions I haven't edited yet.

Now i need to start investigating this Thunderbolt thing Tim brought up. I hadn't noticed that working off my FreeAgent drives was slow, but maybe I just don't know how fast it should be. My main concern is to try to make my images as secure as possible for my clients. Maybe you or Tim can hire yourselves out to re-vamp my process/system?!? :lol:

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So Michelle, the question I have and the suggestion that both Tim and I have brought up:

First, do you really need to back up the external drive, as in with special software? The point is that you should be able to copy all your data from the one drive to another, I don't know how to a quick copy with Macs, but on Windows it was just a matter of selecting all the top-level "stuff", selecting Copy, open a Parent folder on the second drive, and then Paste. Then take a coffee break while the system is performing the copy and then if you want, you can verify some things to make sure things "behaved". From there, it's a matter of doing the reformatting.

Of course you need to figure out how to do the copy and paste and how to reformat in the Mac but those things should be very simple, and if you ask here you will get quick answers.

Then, once you have formatted, you then go back to the second drive, open the parent folder you used, then just select/copy and paste onto your newly formatted drive.

It's not complicated once you get the few little "how to"s down!


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Sep 06, 2011 11:39 |  #34

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I guess I'm missing something (probablilty high!) but yes, as I see it I do have to back up the external drive before I reformat it because the instructions I've found online say all the data on it will be lost whwn it's reformmated. Is that what you were asking?

No. I'm suggesting you don't need to re-format the drives. Leave them as they are.
Go out and buy a new one. Format that HFS+ if you like.

You then can either copy all off the NTFS drive to the new one (drag and drop will work. One thing to be aware of is how it works: http://www.tech-recipes.com …ve_files_instea​d_copying/ (external link) Between two different drives will always be a copy instead of a move (good thing™)
Then format the NTFS one if you want. Or just leave them NTFS and use Paragon or another way to read and write NTFS on OSX. I once downloaded a trial of Tuxera: http://www.tuxera.com/​products/tuxera-ntfs-for-mac/ (external link) when I had to copy a file to a friends NTFS formatted drive.

About 5 minutes work, including install and reboot, and worked like a charm.

IMO, there is no reason to shuffle gigabytes of data around, just to re-format a drive, if the mac can easily read and write them.
Also: If you reformat to HFS+, you'll have the same problems getting a windows machine to read/ write to those: http://forums.macrumor​s.com …hp?p=11034909&p​ostcount=6 (external link)
If you no longer have a windows machine, that's obviously not a big problem.

Thunderbolt: http://www.apple.com/t​hunderbolt/ (external link)

For TimeMachine, an external drive is fine by the way. It'll work in the background, but only the first run will take lots of time: After that, only changed files will be back-upped: http://support.apple.c​om/kb/ht1427 (external link)


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Sep 06, 2011 12:24 |  #35

Ok, I kind of get it now. At least I understand the concept, tho I can promise you it would tak me longer than 5 min! :lol: So-- now that the situation is out of my hands (ie; the computer is with the experts)-- when I get it back both the external drives will be formatted for OS X (I won't have a computer with Windows anymore so that's not a problem), so then what would you suggest as to my future back up plan? I don't like the idea of bogging down my internal hard drive so I don't upload original images to it at all except for my personal images. Can I still use my FreeAgent external as my main drive to work off of, saving the final edited versions also on my Elements? I know Tim mentioned Thunderbolt but if that's mostly a matter of speed, so far I haven't had a problem with speed. I'm a little confused on if/how I would need to even use Time Machine if this is my process...I'd need another internal or external drive to use TM, correct? Is there a benefit to doing that or would it be redundant considering I have the FreeAgent and Elements back up?

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No. I'm suggesting you don't need to re-format the drives. Leave them as they are.
Go out and buy a new one. Format that HFS+ if you like.

You then can either copy all off the NTFS drive to the new one (drag and drop will work. One thing to be aware of is how it works: http://www.tech-recipes.com …ve_files_instea​d_copying/ (external link) Between two different drives will always be a copy instead of a move (good thing™)
Then format the NTFS one if you want. Or just leave them NTFS and use Paragon or another way to read and write NTFS on OSX. I once downloaded a trial of Tuxera: http://www.tuxera.com/​products/tuxera-ntfs-for-mac/ (external link) when I had to copy a file to a friends NTFS formatted drive.

About 5 minutes work, including install and reboot, and worked like a charm.

IMO, there is no reason to shuffle gigabytes of data around, just to re-format a drive, if the mac can easily read and write them.
Also: If you reformat to HFS+, you'll have the same problems getting a windows machine to read/ write to those: http://forums.macrumor​s.com …hp?p=11034909&p​ostcount=6 (external link)
If you no longer have a windows machine, that's obviously not a big problem.

Thunderbolt: http://www.apple.com/t​hunderbolt/ (external link)

For TimeMachine, an external drive is fine by the way. It'll work in the background, but only the first run will take lots of time: After that, only changed files will be back-upped: http://support.apple.c​om/kb/ht1427 (external link)


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Sep 06, 2011 13:43 |  #36

As to backup, how extensive you go is up to you and, to a large extent, the nature of your photograhy "activity".

I am an amateur/enthusiast. I am not "in the business", and so my photographs are not "business assets". So, my approach to backing up my photos is basic -- I have a dedicated hard drive which has system backups and also has a dedicated backup of all my data files -- photos, music, documents, etc. The drive is unplugged both from power and the computer when I'm not doing backups.

Then, I use an external drive as my "library drive" where all my photos are stored after I have done short-term work on them in my internal "data drive".

So, for my backups, I'm in good shape as far as an occasional power outage/surge or from my computer going crazy and corrupting all my library files.

But, the point gets raised about things like theft, fire, something that could mess up that external backup drive, so a case can be made to have a separate, second backup drive that you back up your stuff to, a mirror of your "regualar" backup drive, and then you move the second drive to a separate location -- a family or friend household, your place of outside work, or even a bank safety deposit box.

And, sure, that is catastrophic "insurance" of your photos, and in that sense it makes sense, I just haven't gotten there.

But, if I was in the business and, like I say, photos were "business assets" then I'd certainly adopt my backup strategy to fully protect those assets.

As far as how your external drives tie into your photo workflow, well, I could say that if you are happy with how things perform, then more power to ya!

But the one consideration there is that as a rule external drives are significantly slower than internal drives. Now in recent years the capabilities of external drives regarding speed have gone up a significant notch. We now have USB 3.0, Firewire 800, and ESATA drives, all of which are becoming increasingly common both in computers that will support them and devices that use them.

So, if your new Mac has one of these bus systems "on board" and you buy the appropriate devices and cable to use these fast busses, then you should be good for, well, a long time with your performance needs.

But, if you have say a USB 2.0 hard drive and you are doing all your processing using that drive, well, you will be taking a performance hit. You say you are happy with your speed and I won't belittle that, but just consider the fact that as your library grows, and if your volume of shooting grows, then your performance will be bottlenecked by that USB 2.0 bus and device.

Now, a limitation is in your Mac. If it only has one internal hard drive, and it is not a high capacity one, well, that is certainly a limitation. I can understand not wanting to put many photos on it, and in fact using your single system drive for a lot of things is not a good idea.

So, it's hard to advise you as to what your "best practice" would be in that case, especially if you are limited to a USB 2.0 bus.

I do have a little cheap laptop with only one internal hard drive. But it's not my "serious" editing workstation. So with the laptop I can play with a shoot, maybe process photos and shoot them up to my Web photo host, but in time, that shoot will if needed and appropriate go onto my workstation internal "data drive" (it's network-shared). On my workstation the internal data drive, separate from my system drive, is where my photo shoots are imported to into Lightroom, and they stay there until I'm done with any short-term work -- editing, keywording, exporting for the Web, printing, are all done from that fast internal drive. It also has resources that can benefit from the speed -- my Lightroom catalog (containing previews) and my Camera Raw Cache, which contains large previews for Lighroom and, if you have it, Photoshop's Camera Raw -- these "live" on my internal drive, as well as my Photoshop Scratch file and other stuff that can benefit from the high performance.

Then, when I'm done with the short-term stuff, I use Lightroom to move the shoots onto my external library drive into a parent folder which is the year for the shoot, and there they wil live -- they have been incorporated into my Lightroom catalog so I can always "see" them and access them in Lightroom. And I do make use of that catalog feature -- I revisit "old" shoots a lot, sometimes just to check one something, but also to revisit editing and such. For that type of thing I'm OK for the slower speed although if needed I can just move the folder back onto my internal drive for the time (I have plenty of disk apace on my internal drive).

Now, all that rambling -- I hope you got some good info and ideas!


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Sep 07, 2011 09:52 |  #37

Michelle Brooks Photography wrote in post #13059287 (external link)
'm a little confused on if/how I would need to even use Time Machine if this is my process...

I don't use TM for my image files: That would fill up way too fast.
I do use it for about everything else on the HD: If my drive ever crashes, I can easily re-install from it, and it partly protects from user error (accidentally deleting or overwriting files)

You could also clone your system, so you have a bootable clone of your hdd.

I'd use other means of backup for your image files. Could be automated, but I do that manually.
A bunch of pdf files, all worth reading. A few specific about backup: http://www.thedigitalp​lumber.co.uk …ge_magazine_art​icles.html (external link)
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http://macperformanceg​uide.com …imeMachine-excluding.html (external link)


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Sep 07, 2011 12:36 |  #38

René Damkot wrote in post #13064045 (external link)
I don't use TM for my image files: That would fill up way too fast.
I do use it for about everything else on the HD: If my drive ever crashes, I can easily re-install from it, and it partly protects from user error (accidentally deleting or overwriting files)

You could also clone your system, so you have a bootable clone of your hdd.

I'd use other means of backup for your image files. Could be automated, but I do that manually.
A bunch of pdf files, all worth reading. A few specific about backup: http://www.thedigitalp​lumber.co.uk …ge_magazine_art​icles.html (external link)
Some other thoughts;
http://macperformanceg​uide.com/Mac-HowToClone-backup.html (external link)
http://macperformanceg​uide.com …imeMachine-excluding.html (external link)

Thank you, Renee. I hope my brain doesn't explode when I read these docs! :lol:


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Sep 07, 2011 21:58 |  #39

I think it's NTFS-3G that allows Mac to read and write NTFS files so that would be the easy solution. And that's free.

I also use TimeMachineEditor.app to give lots more options on TimeMachine scheduling.

I've also found CarbonCopyCloner to be an amazingly fast utility for moving files around as well as backing up images separate from TM as Rene suggests. It can be scheduled for off hours with a bit of work arounds.


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Sep 08, 2011 00:45 |  #40

Michelle Brooks Photography wrote in post #13056039 (external link)
I can't even figure out how to backnup stuff on my iMacs hard drive...gonna be a bumpy ride!

Click on System Preferences>Time Machine when you have an externally attached MAc formatted drive (or two). Follow the directions in the TIme Machine window. Turn it on, select a drive, and let it start backing up for you. If the backup is too large, you can exclude drives and probably folders from being backed up.


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I also use TimeMachineEditor.app to give lots more options on TimeMachine scheduling.

Good one. Forgot to mention that :)
Once every hour is ridiculous.


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Click on System Preferences>Time Machine when you have an externally attached MAc formatted drive (or two). Follow the directions in the TIme Machine window. Turn it on, select a drive, and let it start backing up for you. If the backup is too large, you can exclude drives and probably folders from being backed up.

But this is an external drive back up, correct? Does the iMac not have an internal, factory installed hard drive? Like the C drive in my pc?


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Sep 08, 2011 07:01 |  #43

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But this is an external drive back up, correct? Does the iMac not have an internal, factory installed hard drive? Like the C drive in my pc?

Yes but it would not make much sense to do your backups to the same drive that the data is stored on now would it? :confused:

If that drive crashes, you all go down with it, whereas with the external Time Machine backups you can just plug that drive in and restore to whatever point you wish after you replace the dead internal drive.

It works the same as PC backup technology! :lol:


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Yes but it would not make much sense to do your backups to the same drive that the data is stored on now would it? :confused:

If that drive crashes, you all go down with it, whereas with the external Time Machine backups you can just plug that drive in and restore to whatever point you wish after you replace the dead internal drive.

It works the same as PC backup technology! :lol:

Yes, of course, sorry I didn't make my question clear. I had been saying that I didn't even know how to save something just to the hard drive, and I thought that is what you were addressing..sorry. Yeah I understand that I will need external back up.


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Yes, of course, sorry I didn't make my question clear. I had been saying that I didn't even know how to save something just to the hard drive, and I thought that is what you were addressing..sorry. Yeah I understand that I will need external back up.

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