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Sep 10, 2011 18:40 |  #136

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But yeah, someone hanging out in the gear sub-forums would tend to get a view of a place like POTN but, IMO, that view would be skewered -- a lot of gear-heads, but once you go into another sub-forum you find more people who are interested in actual photography:)!

Tony, did you really mean skewered ? Or skewed?

Looks like a Freudian slip to me!!


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Sep 10, 2011 19:15 |  #137

WaltA wrote in post #13081757 (external link)
Tony, did you really mean skewered ? Or skewed?

Looks like a Freudian slip to me!!

Heh! So, there is some place that puts a sexual meaning to "skewered"? I can imagine there is given the actual meaning of the word.

And, yeah, I guess "skewed" would have been a better choice, although, promise, there wasn't anything Freudian about my word mischoice:)!


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Sep 10, 2011 20:06 |  #138

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Heh! So, there is some place that puts a sexual meaning to "skewered"? I can imagine there is given the actual meaning of the word.

And, yeah, I guess "skewed" would have been a better choice, although, promise, there wasn't anything Freudian about my word mischoice:)!

I'm pretty sure "skewered" is what happens to the shrimp that I put on my BBQ.


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Sep 10, 2011 23:02 |  #139

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Oh, and welcome to POTN! :)

Thank you KC!

And sorry about my own generalization. I had come from a really kind of mean post on the DPReview forum about "people who know nothing about photography just bothering all of us professionals for free photography lessons" and was probably very much oversensitized.

I actually have the Canon 55-250mm IS lens - it was one of my first purchases for my own bag. Hubby insisted on having a DSLR (and is strictly a green square shooter - DRIVES ME NUTS - won't even get OUT of the CAR to take pictures. A tourist if ever there was one. I got him the Sigma 50-200mm lens and it is a heavy, okay lens. He doesn't blow up any image beyond 4x6, so he has more than too much camera at this point already. Hoping when I finally choose to upgrade on bodies he doesn't want to follow me. :(

I know I could have much better equipment. What I have is what I can afford now and I can still get good pictures with it. Hoping to keep learning though - I AM new to D-SLR, just not new to photography. So there IS much to learn, but I'm not someone who got a DSLR, didn't even know there was a photographic triangle or what it contained and decided that I should be a professional photographer... ;-)a


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Sep 11, 2011 00:35 |  #140

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Thank you KC!

And sorry about my own generalization. I had come from a really kind of mean post on the DPReview forum about "people who know nothing about photography just bothering all of us professionals for free photography lessons" and was probably very much oversensitized.

I actually have the Canon 55-250mm IS lens - it was one of my first purchases for my own bag. Hubby insisted on having a DSLR (and is strictly a green square shooter - DRIVES ME NUTS - won't even get OUT of the CAR to take pictures. A tourist if ever there was one. I got him the Sigma 50-200mm lens and it is a heavy, okay lens. He doesn't blow up any image beyond 4x6, so he has more than too much camera at this point already. Hoping when I finally choose to upgrade on bodies he doesn't want to follow me. :(

I know I could have much better equipment. What I have is what I can afford now and I can still get good pictures with it. Hoping to keep learning though - I AM new to D-SLR, just not new to photography. So there IS much to learn, but I'm not someone who got a DSLR, didn't even know there was a photographic triangle or what it contained and decided that I should be a professional photographer... ;-)a

Well, hey, stick around!

This is a great place to "hang out" in, very informative and the folks can be very helpful and friendly!

But, it's a public forum and some discussions can get a bit intense and bickering, and when that happens I just stay out of it.

Now, some times some people come across as, well, goofy when they are asking for advice/help, partly because this is an international forum and a lot of folks just can't communicate very articulately in English, but then sometimes it's because they haven't done the simple homework, like reading the manual and some basic photography material, and want stuff spoon-fed to them, and, well, you gotta try to combine helpfulness and patience and avoid being a jerk. But sometimes some people don't have a lot of self-control in that area, so yeah, sometimes you'll see someone acting like a jerk in here, oh well:)!

I myself prefer to not act like a jerk, but I'm sure I way to often act like an ignorant fool:)!


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Sep 11, 2011 01:35 |  #141

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Thank you KC!

You're very welcome!

And sorry about my own generalization. I had come from a really kind of mean post on the DPReview forum about "people who know nothing about photography just bothering all of us professionals for free photography lessons" and was probably very much oversensitized.

Don't worry about it. We're something of a family here, actually (at least, it certainly feels that way). This is a very friendly place, and that's actually something of an anomaly on the internet. Even so, it doesn't hurt to have a strong stomach here!

The dpreview.com forums are famous for being rather unfriendly. They are excellent for technical discussions, though. But technical discussions generally require that one have something of a strong spine and an open mind all at the same time, because they tend to revolve around things that can be proven in one way or another, and the participants tend to place very high value on correctness.

The forum here on POTN is much friendlier, but you tend not to see as much in the way of ultra-technical discussions here (and by that, I mean discussions about things like signal to noise ratios, read noise versus shot noise, etc. -- basically, things that would make most people's eyes glaze over). And that's fine -- we're here to talk about photography, and how to get the best (most pleasing) results we can.

I actually have the Canon 55-250mm IS lens - it was one of my first purchases for my own bag.

That is an awesome lens. I predict you won't be getting rid of it. It's far too convenient, especially given its image quality. There's faster glass out there, of course, but it comes with its own set of tradeoffs (both in terms of cost and in terms of convenience of use).

Hubby insisted on having a DSLR (and is strictly a green square shooter - DRIVES ME NUTS - won't even get OUT of the CAR to take pictures. A tourist if ever there was one. I got him the Sigma 50-200mm lens and it is a heavy, okay lens. He doesn't blow up any image beyond 4x6, so he has more than too much camera at this point already. Hoping when I finally choose to upgrade on bodies he doesn't want to follow me. :(

LOL! Well, you could always try to teach him the basics so that at least he'll get out of green box mode. Maybe he'll eventually figure out that if you want to take photographs and not just snapshots, you have to take control of the camera.

I know I could have much better equipment. What I have is what I can afford now and I can still get good pictures with it.

It's not so much about the equipment as it is what you do with the equipment. If you improve enough, you'll be able to get results from your relatively inexpensive gear that will rival the images taken with much more expensive gear. Honestly, camera gear is no different than most other things: you pay a lot more to get only incremental improvements. The capability of even the lowest end DSLRs today is so great that it is hard to be limited by it. I find that autofocus is really the sole exception to that, and even that is something that depends greatly on what you're photographing.

As much as I like to bag on the 5Dmk2's autofocus system, for instance, it is adequate for most things.

Hoping to keep learning though - I AM new to D-SLR, just not new to photography. So there IS much to learn, but I'm not someone who got a DSLR, didn't even know there was a photographic triangle or what it contained and decided that I should be a professional photographer... ;-)a

Digital photography has much more in common with film photography than it has differences. All the fundamentals are the same: effects of shutter speed, depth of field, exposure, film or sensor sensitivity, composition methods, lighting, etc. There are some digital-specific techniques ("exposure to the right", crop factor adjustments for focal length versus angle of view and for recommended shutter speed to eliminate camera shake, examination and proper interpretation of the histogram, etc.) and some techniques which are the result of newer technology but which are equally applicable to both film and digital (mainly, how to effectively use image stabilization).

In any case, the bottom line is that your previous photographic training should serve you very well. It's very easy to crave better gear (Lord knows I've gone through my share of that myself), but hopefully you'll reach a point where I no longer do, really, before you're completely broke. :lol:

I've more or less reached that point myself. The camera I use (the 7D) helps enormously in that respect, because it's like shooting with a mini-1D, and its image quality is quite good in my opinion, even if some people do disagree.


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Sep 11, 2011 08:47 |  #142

wuzzittoya wrote in post #13082794 (external link)
Thank you KC!

And sorry about my own generalization. I had come from a really kind of mean post on the DPReview forum about "people who know nothing about photography just bothering all of us professionals for free photography lessons" and was probably very much oversensitized.

I actually have the Canon 55-250mm IS lens - it was one of my first purchases for my own bag. Hubby insisted on having a DSLR (and is strictly a green square shooter - DRIVES ME NUTS - won't even get OUT of the CAR to take pictures. A tourist if ever there was one. I got him the Sigma 50-200mm lens and it is a heavy, okay lens. He doesn't blow up any image beyond 4x6, so he has more than too much camera at this point already. Hoping when I finally choose to upgrade on bodies he doesn't want to follow me. :(

I know I could have much better equipment. What I have is what I can afford now and I can still get good pictures with it. Hoping to keep learning though - I AM new to D-SLR, just not new to photography. So there IS much to learn, but I'm not someone who got a DSLR, didn't even know there was a photographic triangle or what it contained and decided that I should be a professional photographer... ;-)a

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Sep 11, 2011 09:25 |  #143

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u sound butt hurt.

I find this forum to be more noob friendly than FM...which is perfect for a noob like me! Its a great resource to learn about photography.

Comments like that are definitely mature. Way to go!:rolleyes:


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Sep 11, 2011 09:27 |  #144

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No offence, but I would suggest you stick to photographing landscapes and other in-animate objects for your 'eventual' business, because if you got upset over this your missing the most important stage of development... personality

Your "suggestion" means nothing, and you know nothing about me. Thanks for trying though. :eek:


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Sep 11, 2011 09:30 |  #145

Ziffle wrote in post #13073362 (external link)
some advice on your career path .... go to school for something other than photography.
something in finance - engineering - accounting - something.
this way you can actually make money and learn about photography on the side.

You can also find your calling in what ever style of shooting you like to do.

Plus actually have cash to pay for good equipment when you want to go pro...
Plus in school - you may find shooting gigs.

just my 2 cents....

School for me = 100% free.

I have a full time well paying job to buy my gear.

I have this under control, thanks for your concern though. ;)


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