Shaper photos in DPP than in CS5

Hello,

When I open (in my laptop) any RAW photos in DPP, they look shaper than when I open them in CS5. Does anyone know why? Has anyone found this? If so, which of these two programmes are you using to sharpen your pics? It is a nightmare cos I am switching from software to software to get the best out of them for my photographs. Thanks.

I believe DPP applies the values set in the camera and PS uses a program controlled default value.

They look sharper probably because DPP is applying more default sharpening. DPP reads the Picture Style set in your camera and applies those settings as default.

Like the above!

In fact, photos you open will look different in a number of ways because DPP applies your in-camera Picture Style settings as well as various other settings you may have made in your camera -- in other words, out-of-the-camera, a Raw file rendered in DPP will "look like" a jpeg would have looked.

Other Raw processors have developed their own processing fo the Raw data and often they will "go easy" on things like Contrast, Saturation and Sharpening.

If you want to experiment with this, you might start by, in DPP, setting your Picture Style to Neutral. In fact, you could go a bit farther and in your camera set your Picture Style to Neutral and then, within the picture style menu, dial your Contrast, Saturation and Sharpening all the way back to -4.

Note that this will not change the Raw data, but when you open a file with those settings in DPP what you will see will be much closer to the default "flat" preview you tend to see with Camera Raw and Lightroom.

From there, you can examine in DPP how those settings "work on" the images, play around with the different settings, and then in ACR/Lightroom play around until you are satisfied with your results.

As for sharpening, the idea is that you take control of your post-processing. And, you can create different processes and save them as presets if you'd like.

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Many thanks for your advise. Here are two pics of the same subject. MoonLima was processed using DPP and Moon-Over-Lima was processed with PS CS5. Disregarding the colour, you can see the difference in sharpness. Sharpness in-camera was set as 7. I hardly touched the sharpness control in DPP to process this photo.

I tried to get the latter as sharp as the first without adding too much grain but failed and this is the best I can do. I can send the actual RAW file if someone want to have a go.

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IMHO the output from DPP when compared to CS5 is more superior i.e. you've gotta do a lot of work in CS5 to get up to the same level of Quality, and even then, you will lose image subject 'edge' quality .... but very few believe this because DPP is free.

I've tested this theory on hard copy print-outs also. Therefore I hardly use CS5 these days, unless I want to do something really unusual, so CS5 does have it's uses.

Most people won't believe you though because of how much CS5 costs. You should stick with your own analysis on what you see in front of you and you will probably be right

Good luck.

I think you can get equal or better results from CS5 compared to DPP, but you have to use the correct settings for your image to get there. Can you give us the specific settings you used in Adobe Camera Raw when converting the original RAW file, and then in CS5 when editing the file? Among other things, there's an obvious color cast in the CS5 file, indicating you didn't correct for white balance.

Believe me, I tried with this shot and cannot get it up to the standard of DPP. I have tried other basic features in CS5 and some are quite impresive, especially photomerge. It is far superior than the one from Canon. Oh well, I assume you cannot win all, I was hoping to reduce the amount of work by using one single software.

Something I struggled with for months. Wouldn't it be great if we could get them to look like that all the time?

I read about this quite a while ago. I agree it looks much better and always use quick mode on fill screen to do some initial culling and X out the images I want deleted. A perfect tool for this.

Something has something to do with size you are viewing them at. If you view both DPP and a converted image in PS at 100% their won't be much difference. Now I just posted this without testing it to get more conversation going.

I do know that after PP in PS I can achieve far superior final results than I can in DPP.

Hello Digital Paradise. Many thanks for replying. I was viewing the image at 100% in both software. Like I said earlier, perhaps someone can have a go.I can forward the raw file to an email. Cheers.

I'm going to get the answer. I am not having luck but I have posted the question on that website. As soon as I get a reply I'll post it here.

The reason I forgot is I just stopped thinking about it as it became insignificant. Sometimes I can't remember what I did yesterday.

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Hello Digital Paradise. Many thanks for replying. I was viewing the image at 100% in both software. Like I said earlier, perhaps someone can have a go.I can forward the raw file to an email. Cheers.

I would be happy to take a look at the RAW file, but it should be around 15MB from a 450D, so will probably be too big to email. You can open a free account with http://www.yousendit.c​om and post there (using your email address for the posting notification), then post the link here.

I just did it again with a different file. I converted a RAW file to a 16bit TIFF. I opened the TIFF in PS at 100% and the original in DPP at 100%. I see little difference.

I will try PS. I don't use ACR but it does have auto preset for sharpening so it should be close. I'll play with that and and see what I get.

Hello Stsva: Note the WB was changed to daylight, this is how I liked it most. Here are the settings for the sharpenings, both viewed at 100% I did not change any other feature.

DPP RAW In-camera: 7. I did not move this afterwards. In RGB tab, I set it to 75
PS CS5: Sharpening to 79, I tried higher but was image getting grittier.

Here is the link with the RAW file: Canon 450D http://www.yousendit.c​om …ad/bHlCeFVhU1Br​eEJMWEE9PQ