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Sep 18, 2011 17:25 |  #1

Still working with a used 5Dc I picked up last week, all seems good with it, but I have a question/problem: Being used to the 7D, with it's self-cleaning sensor, is it harder to keep crap off the 5Dc sensor? I took it out today to mess with it, thinking I was taking good shots, and I get home to look at them, and I get this squiggly line across the upper right of my pictures.. I was like WTF!?!?!?!

So I turn on sensor cleaning, and when the mirror was raised, I actually saw a small piece of hair on the sensor. Boy was I pissed!!

So I guess the point to this is: Is it hard to keep junk off it, and should I be more careful swapping lenses? Is there a 'preferred" routine when swapping lenses?

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Sep 18, 2011 17:49 |  #2

YouTube has good videos for how to change lens.
Get rocket blower. Helps a lot.


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Sep 18, 2011 18:42 |  #3

Get a blower, and be sure to exercise reasonable precautions when changing lenses, although "reasonable" need not be taken to such a degree that it really hampers your shooting. In general get out of windy conditions and, if you can, angle the camera down when changing the lens. Of course, if you can get in a car or indoors, it's nice, as long as it doesn't take you away from your photography.

Then, if you've followed the advice to get the Gitzmo Rocket Blower or another good blower, you give it a few good blasts in sensor cleaning mode without making contact with either the mirror or the sensor, and then you'll likely face two facts:

First, the blower really can dislodge loose dust! As much as you can hold the camera face-down while doing this so that hopefully it will trickle down.

And then, you'll need to go farther than just a eyeball visual inspection.

There are two common ways of checking for small particles on a sensor: First there are "sensor loupes" that can both light and give a magnified view of your sensor. I've never had one but hear they are quite effective.

And then Second is the "acid test". For this you need a scene that you can fully frame (at whatever focal length you need) that is a solid light color. My favorite for this is a clear blue sky, but a light overcast could work or, maybe a white sheet.

Set your lens to MF and your camera to a narrow aperture and your WB can be, well, something that doesn't really mess up your color, although if you shoot Raw it doesn't much matter, and in the daytime Auto WB handles things quite well. With the 5D setting your aperture to f/16 is nifty. Since your lens is in MF you can fire a shot with nothing in focus, and, in fact, you don't want anything in focus. Any detail at all, even the weaving on a white sheet, can defeat you, so just adjust your MF to keep things OOF -- for this we only care about what's on the sensor, and it is the narrow aperture which will best show up dust and such.

Take the shot, or as many shots as you want, hand-held is fine!

Then, bring the shot(s) into your image processor.

Now, you will view them at whatever magnifications you wish, but at some point you'll want a reasonably magnified view. Whether or not you go to a 100% view doesn't matter so much, you just don't want the image so shrunken down that any spots just disappear. So, as big as you'd like but not necessarily so huge as to make "spots" just a blurry mess. And, make sure you look at every portion of your frame!

What you will likely find, since your sensor was obviously not clean before, is that there are a number of spots on your screen. Maybe a lot, maybe not a lot. Maybe big and ugly, or maybe small and light enough to make them invisible at a wider aperture and a normal view. Likely it will be a combination of the above...

But, if not now then eventually you will be faced with the challenge to tackle "real" sensor cleaning. After using a blower, eventually you will find particles that aren't loose enough to blow off.

At that point, there are several common solutions -- a couple involving either a "sensor brush" or a "sensor pen", and then finally the "wet cleaning" approach that to some is scary but is actually the one thing that "really works", so be prepared.

So, let me give you three company names that all are involved in this stuff. Check out their sites, read their info, look at their products, and be prepared to go with "stuff".

They are:

Photographic Solutions, makers of the Eclipse sensor fluid and their make of sensor swabs

Copperhill, which has extensive writups and available "stuff"

Visible Dust, which provides kits for both dry-cleaning and wet-cleaning (and a blower) and includes a little gadget called the Arctic Butterfly which spins a sensor brush over the sensor which can dislodge some "stuff".

But, since you are asking about the 5D Classic, I should give you a heads-up:

Back when the 5DC was in its youth, people bought it and eventually had to tackle the sensor cleaning thing. Back then, the Photographic Solutions outfit with the Eclipse fluid and sensor swabs had become quite popular and "standard", because their stuff worked.

But then, some bad news: a significant number of 5D users found that when wiping their sensor with Eclipse on a swab, the filter over the sensor would get all messed up! The very high alcohol content in Eclipse had, in other words, started to dissolve the filter!

That caused obvious consternation with both the company and with Canon and they began consulting. Canon embarked on a fix in the factory. Photographic Solutions, on their part did two things: first of all, they promised to replace any sensor "wrecked" by the Eclipse solution, and second they put out a new version of Eclipse (Eclipse2) which was guaranteed to not mess up that filter.

Now, all that happened in the early days before I got my 5D, and by then the word from Photographic Solutions was that Canon had "fixed" whatever in their process was responsible for putting out faulty sensor/filters. And, over time the issue went away, and the original version of Eclipse was declared "safe" for use of any current/newer body.

What I don't know is what range of serial numbers might be susceptible to this problem. When I bought my 5D in '07 everything had settled down. I bought the original Eclipse with my 30D but then used it with my 5D Classic and have never seen a problem with it.

But, people occasionally pop up who typically are buying a used older 5D, and ask about sensor cleaning, and even though I still recommend the Eclipse method it is with this warning story.

So, I'd check out your body as to the date and the possible problem. Either Contact Canon Service or Photographic Solutions with your serial number, and they should give you some proper guidance!


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Sep 18, 2011 19:11 as a reply to  @ tonylong's post |  #4

Wow, thanks for that answer... :)

Yea, I had actually went through 2 sensor cleanings at a local shop (Midstate Camera Repair), and finally got the sensor clean, it had a bunch of noticeable spots. So when I finally got it back again on Friday, I took test shots of a blue sky, and FINALLY confirmed that all was well. So I took it out today, and when I came home and saw this funny line I was ready to throw the camera out the window. (naw, I wasn't gonna, but I REALLY was mad!).

The thing I am worried about is that I was VERY lucky and got a garage pass for the NASCAR race in Loudon, NH next weekend, so I was going to use the 5D in the garage, and them use my 7D in the stands for the actual race.

Guess I'll have to mount my 24-70 on the 5D, test it, then leave it mounted.. :)

Thanks again...


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Sep 18, 2011 19:41 |  #5

The problem with having "outsiders" clean your sensor is that they often don't do good "Quality Control" meaning the same tests with Loupes and blue sky that I mentioned. So, like you experienced, return trips, and even now you see a problem.

That's not so bad if they are right next door or across the street, but man, it's not right, when it is quite easy/simple to do yourself, i.e. no special skill involved, and then you can easily do your own re-test and re-clean as needed!


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Sep 19, 2011 09:03 as a reply to  @ tonylong's post |  #6

Ok, question: I have a small electric compressor that I use to blow up bike tires and such. Is that too strong to blow into the camera? I still have some floaters gaming out in there but wanted to make sure that the air wasn't too strong.


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Sep 19, 2011 09:06 as a reply to  @ kenjancef's post |  #7

Absolutelly - No!
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Sep 19, 2011 09:55 as a reply to  @ kf095's post |  #8

Was going to get one, but will probably have to overnight it because I wanted to use the 5D for a pretty important shoot this weekend, but as of now I don't trust it at all. Was researching them last night, was going to get the "medium" one, but not sure how big it really is.


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Sep 19, 2011 10:10 |  #9

I have medium, not the largest one and it is strong enough. My sensor was getting dirty, but once I get this one it is back to normal at F8-F16. Just one spot needs to be cleaned in PP sometimes.
If you take series of shots at the same focal lenght you just need to clean only first picture if editing in LR.


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Sep 19, 2011 10:28 |  #10

kenjancef wrote in post #13127029 (external link)
Was going to get one, but will probably have to overnight it because I wanted to use the 5D for a pretty important shoot this weekend, but as of now I don't trust it at all. Was researching them last night, was going to get the "medium" one, but not sure how big it really is.

Ken,
I have recommended canned-air many times here, just follow these guidelines:

1) Hold it at 90 degrees
2) Let a little air our before blowing the sensor
3) Use short stacatto bursts, do not use a prolonged stream
4) Move the camera into position and not vice-versa
5) Place the jet-straw just inside the lens mount, no closer than 1" from the sensor

You'll get a much more powerful stream of air than any Rocket blower and it will remove all but the very stuck-on dust specks.

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Sep 19, 2011 14:45 as a reply to  @ Nicholas R.'s post |  #11

Found a local shop with a Medium in stock, they are holding it for me so I can grab it tonite.


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Sep 19, 2011 18:42 as a reply to  @ kenjancef's post |  #12

Ok, I'm fit to be tied... I got a Rocket Blower, and to be honest, I could blow harder than that thing. But I tried it, held the camera upside-down, and blew air in there for a while, put the lens on, and took some shots...

And guess what? Yup, more spots and junk!!!! I am quickly becoming VERY IRRITATED!! I spent over $1,100 on this body, was going to use it on a VERY important shoot, and at this point can't trust it as far as I can throw it. I most likely can't even get my money back (met the seller in person).

I did also buy a Photographic Solutions kit, which I will try later tonight, but I'm not holding out too much hope. Shouldn't I be upset after spending all this money and time on a body, thinking that I'll probably have to send it to Canon (and spend even MORE money), or is it just me???????

GRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!


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Sep 19, 2011 18:58 as a reply to  @ kenjancef's post |  #13

Yep, the only Rocket worth its salt is the large. Sorry I missed your last post, I could have saved you the expense.

But you may have some success with the Photosol kit. Let us know how you do. You could always try the canned-air as I recommended earlier.

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Sep 19, 2011 19:12 |  #14

Sensor dust is practically a way of life unless you own one camera for every lens you have. Just got to get used to cleaning it I guess.


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Sep 19, 2011 22:37 |  #15

Nicholas R. wrote in post #13129681 (external link)
Yep, the only Rocket worth its salt is the large. Sorry I missed your last post, I could have saved you the expense.

But you may have some success with the Photosol kit. Let us know how you do. You could always try the canned-air as I recommended earlier.

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I can always return the Medium and get the Large, I think they had one in stock. I did the Photosol, twice actually, and still saw a few specs. I do have a can of air, but I don't have the straw, lost it, so the air doesn't have the same punch it would have if I had the straw. Blew air into it for about 30-40 seconds.

So, I THINK I may have it clean. Can't do much tonite, but will keep my 24-70 glued to it and take some shots of the sky in the morning.

Think I could super-glue the 24-70 to it?? (Just kidding... really...)


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