YongNuo 560 is not working with 60D and 7D built in wireless

I just bought a YongNuo 560, trying to trigger it using 60D and 7D built in wireless system. In S1 mode, flash is firing but the picture comes out dark, no effect of flash.
I am setting the cameras to first curtain sync.
I set the cameras to manual, and also set the flash to manual, s1 and s2 modes. Nothing changed. I am using my 430EX II without a problem.

Any ideas?

I ordered pixel king to use with YongNuo I think using a radio trigger will be the ultimate solution.

If you have the wireless master enabled, you will not be able to use the optical slave function on the YN-560. The Canon system uses many coded light pulses to communicate with the Canon slave. That just confuses the YN-560 so that it flashes at the wrong time or not at all.

The preflash on the pop-up is probably triggering the yongnuo too soon. Can you make the yongnuo ignore the preflash? As I understand it, the pop-up always fires a preflash, even in manual mode. (There may be exceptions to this).

I am using the camera as the master, and firing the slave only, built in flash is not firing (other than sending the signal).

AE-1 wrote in post #13124412
I am using the camera as the master, and firing the slave only, built in flash is not firing (other than sending the signal).

There is probably still a preflash, its just super-quick before the actual flash. I found a source that says the 7D in manual mode may actually disable the preflash, so you might want to try this.

Edit: you can test for a preflash by setting a long shutter speed, say ½ second, and using 2nd curtain sync. If you see two flashes, the first is a preflash. If you only see one flash, the preflash has been disabled. Use this to troubleshoot and see if any modes will really disable the preflash.

AE-1 wrote in post #13124412
I am using the camera as the master, and firing the slave only, built in flash is not firing (other than sending the signal).

The flash is still firing. It's not a radio signal, it's an IR one.

You should either buy some radio triggers, a PC cable, or live with the light from the on-camera flash (just firing it normally).

You have to turn the wireless control OFF in the camera and if you leave the popup in eTTL you set the 560 to S2. If you set the popup to manual you can use S1 on the 560.

Josh_30 wrote in post #13124448
There is probably still a preflash, its just super-quick before the actual flash. I found a source that says the 7D in manual mode may actually disable the preflash, so you might want to try this.

Edit: you can test for a preflash by setting a long shutter speed, say ½ second, and using 2nd curtain sync. If you see two flashes, the first is a preflash. If you only see one flash, the preflash has been disabled. Use this to troubleshoot and see if any modes will really disable the preflash.

When I enable the wireless in 60D, it is disabling the second curtain option.
I just tried 2 sec shutter speed to see if the flash fires late, but couldn't see any light in the picture. Every time I click the shutter I see the flash fires though.

dedsen wrote in post #13124511
You have to turn the wireless control OFF in the camera and if you leave the popup in eTTL you set the 560 to S2. If you set the popup to manual you can use S1 on the 560.

Dedsen, this solved my problem. I turned the wireless off, set the popup to ETTL and 560 to S2, also set flash exposure compensation to -3 stops to minimize popup's effect, everything works fine now.

I will use 560's with the umbrellas and waiting for the radio triggers, but it is still good to use them with built in flash.

Thanks to everybody contributed to this thread.

Well, yeah. I neglected to mention turning the wireless function off, since the 2nd curtain option isn't available there. Just wanted to make a point about the preflash. Its so fast most people don't realize it even happens, and doing what I suggested separates them so you can see and understand what the camera is doing.
Glad you got it fixed! I'll be interested in hearing how the pixel kings work out.

msowsun wrote in post #13124373
If you have the wireless master enabled, you will not be able to use the optical slave function on the YN-560. The Canon system uses many coded light pulses to communicate with the Canon slave. That just confuses the YN-560 so that it flashes at the wrong time or not at all.

Actually, the answer was already in this message, but I couldn't interpret it.

This seems to be that you are simply using the wrong slave mode, s1 triggers on the first flash but your popup will always fire a preflash. S2 is a slave mode that will ignore the preflash and fire on the main flash and therefore into your exposure.
I'm using 560's and a 7d myself so hopefully this helps.
*Edit* Too slow.

Thanks Steve, I solved my problem yesterday, after disabling camera wireless.

Steve_with_asperations wrote in post #13130263
This seems to be that you are simply using the wrong slave mode, s1 triggers on the first flash but your popup will always fire a preflash. S2 is a slave mode that will ignore the preflash and fire on the main flash and therefore into your exposure.
I'm using 560's and a 7d myself so hopefully this helps.
*Edit* Too slow.

This is not completely correct. Since the OP and you are both shooting a 7D, you can set the popup flash to manual mode and eliminate the preflash completely. When the popup is in manual mode you can use S1 on the 560.
The original problem is that when you turn on Wireless master in camera this adds additional sets of flashes to the preflash and master. Now you need an S3 mode.