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Sep 18, 2011 22:38 |  #1

So I just recently traded up from a 430EXII to a 580EXII and am hunting for accessories. I really want to get a nice stand and umbrella for it but with all the options available I'm just not sure what to get. I'm also considering a diffuser, but again am not sure which brands are best to use. I'm looking to pick these up on Amazon.com as I have several hundred dollars in gift cards that need to be used. Thanks in advance for the recommendations!


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Sep 18, 2011 22:47 |  #2

An on-flash diffuser is going to be a waste. Save your money.

You only need to spend ~$30 on a stand and an umbrella.


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Sep 18, 2011 22:53 |  #3

Why not buy several packs of decent rechargeable batteries and a charger? Amazon have lots of good ones, like the Eneloops.


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Sep 18, 2011 22:54 |  #4

Why is the on-flash diffuser a waste? I always thought they worked great for taking portraits.

Can you link some recommendations on a good stand/umbrella from Amazon?


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Sep 18, 2011 22:54 |  #5

Anke wrote in post #13125022 (external link)
Amazon have lots of good ones, like the Eneloops.

I see these recommended a lot here.

If you're really itching to spend a lot of cash on "accessories," there's always the ETTL PocketWizards :lol:.


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Sep 18, 2011 22:55 |  #6

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Why not buy several packs of decent rechargeable batteries and a charger? Amazon have lots of good ones, like the Eneloops.

Those are on my wish list for this week actually. Spending $10 or more a week for AA batteries is going to get me in trouble with the spouse. :lol:


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Sep 18, 2011 22:55 |  #7

Ten Ounce wrote in post #13125029 (external link)
Why is the on-flash diffuser a waste? I always thought they worked great for taking portraits.

It doesn't really do anything. A rubber band and a two-cent notecard will generally give better results.

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Can you link some recommendations on a good stand/umbrella from Amazon?

"Impact" is the B&H in-house brand, though you might not be able to find it through Amazon. Amazon isn't really the place for specialty photo gear...


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Sep 18, 2011 22:56 |  #8

Yes on the note card being better.


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Sep 18, 2011 23:02 |  #9

Pretty much any decent stand will work for speedlites. If you're going to be using a lot of modifiers then you might want to invest in a heavier duty manfrotto or impact brand stand and some sandbags/weights to stabilize it all. Diffusers are of very limited use, just buy a cheap one from eBay if you really want one. No simple piece of plastic is worth $30-50.
I would recommend reading "the speedliters handbook" by syl arena. It will get you up to speed on just about everything you can do with a speedlite, and there are specific chapters on modifiers.


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Sep 18, 2011 23:30 |  #10

Impact stands are good (need more weight at the bottom) but not so much the umbrella/flash hotshoe adapter. I would spend the extra ~$10 on a Manfrotto adapter.

In terms of a softbox, I really like the Lumiquest Softbox 3, but it's rather big and it will get in the way of the flash signals if using the master/slave function.




  
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Sep 18, 2011 23:30 |  #11

TheBurningCrown wrote in post #13124995 (external link)
An on-flash diffuser is going to be a waste. Save your money.

You only need to spend ~$30 on a stand and an umbrella.

While i agree that on-flash diffusers tend to be of minimal use, they do have their place, and there are some decent ones out-there, my favorite one was a flexgrid or something? basically a giant flexible, white reflective, strap on the flash. I've used similar set-ups for run&guns with great success.

Oh, right back to my original point, I dislike when people ignore facts to slant things, 30$ isn't nowhere near close enough for a "stand and an umbrella"... Why? Because most remotely decent umbrellas are at least 20$, another 30$ for a ****ty stand, another 20$ for an umbrella swivel, another 60$ for a set of wireless triggers +15$ for AAA rechargeables with charger for the TX/RX, and you're a bit off the "30$" mark ain't ya? You're looking more at about what, 140$?

I do recommend this approach, just don't slap a ridiculously low price on it. And even though i have stands and umbrellas, and softboxes, hell i have an entire studio kit, i still keep a flash diffuser with me for when i need it, just not the ****ty box plastic one.


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Sep 19, 2011 00:05 |  #12

Eneloop batteries are king! I have been through 2 shoots with a single pair (200+ shots, more than half of them at full power on a 430exii) and they are still good to go.
I dont know where you intend to use an umbrella but i cant recommend one for outdoors. I tried it on a windy day and never again. Try a softbox or beauty dish instead.
As for light stands, i am using the cheapest possible stand i could find and its more than enough for a speedlight. But make sure you invest in a good holder to attach your speedlight between the umbrella and stand. I bought a cheapie and the plastic threads stripped off on the first shoot i had. Speedlight darn near fell off.


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Sep 19, 2011 00:54 as a reply to  @ boerewors's post |  #13

Csae wrote in post #13125226 (external link)
Oh, right back to my original point, I dislike when people ignore facts to slant things, 30$ isn't nowhere near close enough for a "stand and an umbrella"

Stand:
http://www.bhphotovide​o.com …6B_Light_Stand_​Black.html (external link)
Umbrella:
http://www.bhphotovide​o.com …30_30_White_Umb​rella.html (external link)

Price? $30. Well, $29.98. Sorry for slanting the facts on the two cents.

If you want to throw a bracket into the mix, it's only another $17.99
http://www.bhphotovide​o.com …117_Umbrella_Br​acket.html (external link)

That's probably what the ~ was for.

"Stand and Umbrella" doesn't include a swivel, wireless triggers, rechargeable batteries, and the like :rolleyes:.


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Sep 19, 2011 02:38 |  #14

TheBurningCrown wrote in post #13125570 (external link)
"Stand and Umbrella" doesn't include a swivel, wireless triggers, rechargeable batteries, and the like :rolleyes:.

Which you are going to need. Right?

Also a 10$ umbrella is asking for trouble, i'm sorry but it is.


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Sep 19, 2011 07:35 as a reply to  @ Csae's post |  #15

Thanks for all the great information. I'm not so much worried about being locked to a certain price for these items. I just want to make sure I get some good quality stuff that will last awhile. If $30 gets me there then I'm all for it. If I have to drop twice that or more to get something good that's fine too. :)

So these stands don't have the hotshoe mount for the flash, that's sold separately right? Also, what softboxes/beauty dishes should I be looking at? I will do some stuff outdoors so I'll probably get a combination of these items for different applications (indoor/outdoor). Thanks again everyone, this has been super helpful.


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