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Sep 21, 2011 10:45 |  #1

This weekend I will be shooting an AIR SHOW I have a 7d and a 5D with 70-200 2.8 lens and a 16-35 2.8 any tips or pointer when I am shooting this air show, beside watch out for out of control planes LOL..


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Sep 21, 2011 10:50 |  #2

Get a longer lens than the 70-200?


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Sep 21, 2011 10:52 |  #3

What kinda of aircraft are going to be at the show? Jets/Props/Helos?
With jets it's easy, shot as fast as possible. With props and helos you have to take a much different approach if you want good prop/rotor blur. Planes are much easier to get than helos, but they definitely take practice. If there are props, best tip is goto TV mode, set your shutter speed around 1/250 with spot metering, take a shot or two and see if you get decent prop blur. If not, lower the SS a bit and try again. I say to use Spot metering in case you have overcast clouds, this way it will meter for the aircraft and you should get decent detail, but the sky will be overblown. Personally, I would use the 5D for the statics and the 7D in AI Servo on High speed for the action shots.
Good luck and have fun, don't get too frustrated, it can take a LOT of practice!


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Sep 21, 2011 12:02 |  #4

Thanks TheBigDog and yes it is Jets at the Naval base...


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Sep 21, 2011 12:06 |  #5

Is your lens IS?

I would probably not even bother taking the 5D. The 7D is built for that kind of high speed shooting and you have a wide lens for ground displays. For in the air shots you are going to want the crop factor to help you get out there with the 200, which may still feel a little short, you might end up doing some cropping in to get the planes into the frame. I just got the pleasure of using a co-worker's 100-400L for an airshow, and even that lens I had to do a little cropping to pull in the planes to fit into the frame well.


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Sep 21, 2011 12:14 |  #6

Oh Yeah IS on the 70-200


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Sep 21, 2011 12:17 |  #7

N2bnfunn wrote in post #13139650 (external link)
Oh Yeah IS on the 70-200

Make sure it's set to mode 2 for panning.


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Sep 21, 2011 12:23 as a reply to  @ N2bnfunn's post |  #8

At what base are you shooting the air show?

NAS Oceana, VA takes place 9/23-25/2011
MCAS Miramar, CA takes place 9/30-10/2/2011
NAS Lemoore, CA takes place 10/15-16/2011

While not exactly only an air show, the San Francisco, CA Fleet Week has some air components and takes place 10/6-9/2011.

I am most familiar with the MCAS Miramar Airshow. IMO, the best place to shoot the flying is from the first row of the reserved seating. However, I would guess that this is filled up at this late date. I usually reserve my seat in May or June when I plan to attend he show.

IMO, a 70-200mm is s bit short for the MCAS Miramar show since the flight activities are quite a way off. I have shot it with a 70-200mm f/4L IS and a 300mm f/4L IS and I like the 300mm a bit better, especially for individual planes...

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However 200mm is often long enough for formations of planes...

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I will shoot with manual exposure choosing the fastest shutter speed possible for jets and around 1/250 second or a bit slower for recips to blur the propellers. I usually get my expsoure from reading on something other than the aircraft. Often, I will expose for the gray concrete which is somewhere around 18% gray. This will give me a good exposure for the planes. I will have my lens in IS mod 2 and pan with the aircraft.

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Sep 21, 2011 12:25 |  #9

In situations like this I would have the long lens on the fastest body and the wide angle on the slower body and have both of them with me. The planes on the ground will be easy to shoot, as they are not moving. LOL Not to mention, you can get a lot closer to some of those (depends on the show). But, the ones flying over, you want the faster fps. You could shoot them with the 5d2, but the 7D is faster and has a better AF system. That would certainly be 'my' choice for the flying planes.


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Sep 21, 2011 12:27 |  #10

Can you rent a 400mm f/2.8? My avatar is at an air show and the 70-200 can do a few things when the planes pass over close, but a 400+ with a monopod would get you some great stuff.

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Sep 21, 2011 13:55 |  #11

Having a 1.4x TC could come in handy...and, your 50mm lens could help you get shots in between the wide 16-35 and the 70-200! If the distances require the 70-200 with a 1.4x TC (or without if you can't pick up a TC) then just leave that mounted on the 7D and use the 5D for wider shots...when there is a break in the action, it would be very cool to get those wide scenes!

Have fun!


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Sep 21, 2011 15:10 |  #12

You might want to rent a doubler for your 70-200.. It will make it a 140-400 lens.. That way you'll have enough zoom range to be able to shoot close up formations as well as capture detailed shots of individual aircraft in the distance.

The 7D will give you more 'pixels per airplane'.. Note that this isn't the 'crop' effect doing this.. The higher pixel density of the 7D sensor will result in around 48% more resolution giving you more detail and the ability to crop tighter.

If there are any parked aircraft on display to walk around, then the 16-35 and the 5D will probably yield the best results.




  
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Sep 26, 2011 11:24 |  #13

OP what show did you go to? I went to NAS Patuxent a few weekends ago.


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