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Oct 02, 2011 00:34 |  #1

I have been using my XSI for almost 3 years and many Pictures. I finally upgraded to my first L a 24-105 F4IS, my problem is almost all my pictures taken at a dog show today were soft. I was using AV mode set on F4 with the ISO at 400 (overcast) shutter speed was approx 640, Manual AF point on center, all are just a little soft, I have shot allot of dog show pictures with my 55-250is and always very sharp. any ideas ? sorry I could not get pictures to upload. I am sure this is a simple mistake I am making, Thank you for any assistance.[IMG]http://s591.photobucke​t.com …353/N0glock/_MG​_6589a.jpg (external link)




  
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Oct 02, 2011 00:41 |  #2

N0glock wrote in post #13193529 (external link)
I have been using my XSI for almost 3 years and many Pictures. I finally upgraded to my first L a 24-105 F4IS, my problem is almost all my pictures taken at a dog show today were soft. I was using AV mode set on F4 with the ISO at 400 (overcast) shutter speed was approx 640, Manual AF point on center, all are just a little soft, I have shot allot of dog show pictures with my 55-250is and always very sharp. any ideas ? sorry I could not get pictures to upload. I am sure this is a simple mistake I am making, Thank you for any assistance.

are you also shooting @ 105mm? wide open at full extension can be soft. with this lens i consider f4.5 "wide open" .

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Oct 02, 2011 00:45 as a reply to  @ ed rader's post |  #3

yes wide open, I will try f5 tomorrow. Thank you




  
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Oct 02, 2011 00:51 |  #4

What focus mode are you shooting in - "One Shot", "AI Focus" or "AI Servo"
My guess is that you're in "One Shot"

Post some pics ( and the softer/more out of focus, the better) so we can actually see the results you're getting.
It makes it a lot easier to diagnose and offer suggestions accordingly.

Also, are you using a clear "protection" or UV filter - especially an el cheapo one?


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Oct 02, 2011 01:15 |  #5

Well I relaxed for a few and figured out how to post a couple of pictures, this is about how they all look also AI Servo, no filter




  
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Oct 02, 2011 01:44 |  #6

N0glock wrote in post #13193529 (external link)
...I was using AV mode set on F4 with the ISO at 400 (overcast) shutter speed was approx 640, Manual AF point on center, all are just a little soft...[IMG]http://s591.photobucke​t.com …k/th__MG_6634a.​jpg[/IMG] (external link)

According to the EXIF data, your exposure setting was auto...

File name: _MG_6634a.jpg
File size: 680403 bytes (4272x2848, 0.4bpp, 54x)
EXIF Summary: 1/1000s f/4.0 ISO400 105mm

Camera-Specific Properties:

Equipment Make: Canon
Camera Model: Canon EOS DIGITAL REBEL XSi
Camera Software: Digital Photo Professional

Image-Specific Properties:

Image Orientation: Top, Left-Hand
Horizontal Resolution: 72 dpi
Vertical Resolution: 350 dpi
Image Created: 2011:10:01 15:57:33
Exposure Time: 1/1000 sec
F-Number: f/4.0
ISO Speed Rating: 400
Lens Aperture: f/4.0
Exposure Bias: 0 EV
Flash: No Flash, Compulsory
Focal Length: 105.00 mm
Color Space Information: sRGB
Image Width: 4272
Image Height: 2848
Rendering: Normal
Exposure Mode: Auto
White Balance: Auto
Scene Capture Type: Standard
_______________

File name: _MG_6589a.jpg
File size: 771610 bytes (4272x2848, 0.5bpp, 47x)
EXIF Summary: 1/800s f/4.0 ISO800 65mm

Camera-Specific Properties:

Equipment Make: Canon
Camera Model: Canon EOS DIGITAL REBEL XSi
Camera Software: Digital Photo Professional

Image-Specific Properties:

Image Orientation: Top, Left-Hand
Horizontal Resolution: 72 dpi
Vertical Resolution: 350 dpi
Image Created: 2011:10:01 09:47:49
Exposure Time: 1/800 sec
F-Number: f/4.0
ISO Speed Rating: 800
Lens Aperture: f/4.0
Exposure Bias: 0 EV
Flash: No Flash, Compulsory
Focal Length: 65.00 mm
Color Space Information: sRGB
Image Width: 4272
Image Height: 2848
Rendering: Normal
Exposure Mode: Auto
White Balance: Auto
Scene Capture Type: Standard
_______________

They don't look too bad at my end although they could do with a little bit of post processing.


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Oct 02, 2011 02:02 |  #7

Correct AV Mode Auto shutter it was averaging approx 640, yes they are not horrible, I just would like a little sharper without post processing Thank you for everyones help so far.




  
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Oct 02, 2011 02:18 |  #8

N0glock wrote in post #13193705 (external link)
...I just would like a little sharper without post processing...

Nup...not going to happen.
To get the best from any digital image, some amount of pp is required.
That is an absolute...no if's, but's or maybe's


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Oct 02, 2011 03:25 |  #9

seems to be a focus issue..


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Oct 02, 2011 05:43 |  #10

philwillmedia wrote in post #13193565 (external link)
What focus mode are you shooting in - "One Shot", "AI Focus" or "AI Servo"

I'd like this answered before I chime in.


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Oct 02, 2011 09:04 |  #11

N0glock wrote in post #13193529 (external link)
I have been using my XSI for almost 3 years and many Pictures. I finally upgraded to my first L a 24-105 F4IS, my problem is almost all my pictures taken at a dog show today were soft. I was using AV mode set on F4 with the ISO at 400 (overcast) shutter speed was approx 640, Manual AF point on center, all are just a little soft, I have shot allot of dog show pictures with my 55-250is and always very sharp. any ideas ? sorry I could not get pictures to upload. I am sure this is a simple mistake I am making, Thank you for any assistance.[IMG]http://s591.photobucke​t.com …k/th__MG_6634a.​jpg[/IMG] (external link)

philwillmedia wrote in post #13193655 (external link)
According to the EXIF data, your exposure setting was auto...
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if it's true you were on auto mode then the camera chooses the AF point and that will cause problems




  
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Oct 02, 2011 09:44 |  #12

N0glock wrote in post #13193705 (external link)
Correct AV Mode Auto shutter it was averaging approx 640, yes they are not horrible, I just would like a little sharper without post processing Thank you for everyones help so far.

I'm sending you a private message....

You don't have public image editing permitted in your profile so i'm sending a PP image to you...

Your shooting is FINE as is your gear; the image is a bit underexposed (low contrast adds to the 'softness') and definitely needs some sharpening as you will see....


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Oct 02, 2011 13:27 |  #13

N0glock wrote in post #13193608 (external link)
Well I relaxed for a few and figured out how to post a couple of pictures, this is about how they all look also AI Servo, no filter

yogestee wrote in post #13193993 (external link)
I'd like this answered before I chime in.

it was answered beforehand...


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Oct 02, 2011 17:15 |  #14

kitacanon wrote in post #13194450 (external link)
I'm sending you a private message....

You don't have public image editing permitted in your profile so i'm sending a PP image to you...

Your shooting is FINE as is your gear; the image is a bit underexposed (low contrast adds to the 'softness') and definitely needs some sharpening as you will see....

I agree with kitacanon. I downloaded the first image and processed it in Photoshop - the dog and things in its immediate vicinity looked fairly sharp, although it's a little hard to tell with a low resolution image. I'm thinking you may be seeing the soft images because of the relatively thin depth of field you got at f/4 plus lack of sharpening either in camera or in post processing. Assuming the first shot was taken from about 25 feet away, you would have had about 2.6 feet depth of field at 105mm and f/4. That covers the dog, judge, and probably part of the woman and not much else.

Try shooting a high contrast target in good light and see how that works. Use single shot autofocus and manually select the center focus point, shoot with wide open aperture, and preferably use a tripod, mirror lock up, and the time-delay automatic shutter release. A thick black line or cross on a white background would make a good target. Include something very detailed in the overall shot that's exactly on the same focus plane as the target so you can evaluate focus accuracy. One way to do this would be to take a page from a newspaper or magazine, put a thick black line across it, tape it to a wall, make sure you're exactly perpendicular to the wall, and shoot that with focus on the black line. If it's sharp, you're OK. If it's not, take a look here: https://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthre​ad.php?t=857871


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Oct 02, 2011 19:53 |  #15

Thank you everyone for your assiatance, I attempted just some basic sharpening in DPP and it made a huge difference, also shot today not wide open, I will admit my wife and I have a little competition on who gets better out of the camera images. Again thank you

PS I have been shooting center point AF in AL servo




  
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