| 10megapixel wrote in post #13201517 Take it easy man, I'm just doin' a little harmless **** here...no need to shove me out the door  New feature? the D700 came out about a month before the 5D2 almost 4 years ago with a more advanced auto ISO...just sayin. I believe the 5D3 will be basically a 7D with a FF sensor (Less the FPS) which should be awesome. Heh! I try to approach these things with a sense of humor, and an overall good nature...
Now, as to the advances made by Nikon and the 7D, well, people have been complaining about the 5D ever since it came out because it didn't the advances of the new Nikon bodies and now the 7D. Yes, it has "older" technology !
In fact, here's some "stuff" from a post I made a bit ago:
tonylong wrote in post #13200315I think that these discussions are on the verge of becoming irrelevant. Discussing full-frame vs crop sensors can have some meaningful things put out in technical areas, but when they boil down to pitting the 5D2 against the 7D, well, the fact is the 5D2 had out-dated technology as soon as it was released, it just wasn't apparent while it was in the long process of being developed. So, Nikon went aggressive, redefining the DSLR, right in the same timeframe. Canon hasn't released a ff body since then. The 7D was the Canon answer in a crop body, but the 7D is not a challenge to the full-frame lines. Don't pit it against the 3-year-old 5D2, or even the 3-year-old 1Ds3, because both of these bodies are due to be replaced! Before we have more of these discussions, let's see what the coming months bring us, with the 5D3 and the 1Ds4! Then the ff vs crop debates should have new "teeth" to chew with! kcbrown wrote in post #13201388Oh, but then the crop cameras will be "outdated" and it won't be a fair comparison! tonylong wrote in post #13201606Heh! But what I'm looking at is the fact that the 5D2 got seriously "out-ranked" by Nikon right off the bat, and the 7D was the first answer to that challenge. Ever since the 5D2 came out, people have complained non-stop about the AF, and now with newer Nikon releases and the 7D, people are comparing the 5D2 to them all and, of course Nikon and Sony have pulled ahead ISO-wise and all of them "beat" the 5D2 with the "fancy" AF. So, assuming that the 5D3 continues to move forward in its high ISO/low-noise performance and does something to address the AF complaints, and can match or beat the Sony 24 MP ff resolution, well, I wouldn't call all that "revolutionary" in the same way the 7D was, just "normal progress", maybe just making the 5D3 like what many wish the 5D2 had been, once we saw the Nikon offerings and what Canon put into the 7D! I myself am happy practicing my photography with my 5D Classic alongside of my 1D Mk III, both of which were groundbreaking in their time, and I even still occasionally shoot with my trusty ol' 30D, for a few more "pixels on target" when the light is good! But, if a financial windfall were to come my way that would both enable my support for the next 15 or so years and put a good amount of disposable $$ in my hands, I'd be seriously interested in what the 5D3 had to offer ! kcbrown wrote in post #13201388Seriously, though, if you have equivalent sensor technology, full frame is going to win by about a stop. It's that simple, because the physics of the comparison demands it. You'll get slightly to moderately better sharpness in the frame (depending on the lenses being used), as well, and possibly more detail captured (depending primarily on the actual resolution), but the major differences are the ones that have already been beaten to death: shallower depth of field and better noise performance at a given ISO. tonylong wrote in post #13201606Well, the interesting question is how "equivalent" technology applies between the 7D and full-frame. Obviously, it's not a matter of "pixel density" (imagine a full-framer with 46 megapixels ), but it's going for the better IQ. My point is that the 5D2 is not the full-frame answer. The 5D3 will be newer, sure (as will the 1Ds4), but then the question would be how much farther can the crop format be pushed? I'm curious ! kcbrown wrote in post #13201388The real question is always going to be whether or not the benefits of full frame are worth the extra expense and, possibly, reduction in other capability, and it's just as valid to ask that question as it is to ask it about medium format versus full frame (most here would balk at paying the price for medium format in terms of both money and loss of additional capability, so in the end it really is about these things). tonylong wrote in post #13201606True that, but the fact is that the 5D line was, well, brought out to be pro-am, in fact I now call them entry-level full-frame bodies! They never were intended to have "pro" features, but were intended to be a full-frame version of the xxD models -- the 5D has a "bit" of improvements over a 30D, but not enough to write home about -- some AF improvements that at the time made it quite good with AF, but nothing like the 1D AF, and, until the 5D2/Nikon entries, non of us complained about the 5DC AF, at least not that I was hearing. Even the 40D, with nine "cross-type" AF points, had stories about less-than-accurate AF, and the Canon exec for whom I read an interview explained that it was those stories that prompted them to stick with their tried-and-true 5DC AF design, rather than going for the 40D model. Now it sounds like Nikon and, with the 7D Canon, have made real strides with AF and so it's natural to "assume" that the 5D3 will show those gains! As to the cost, like I said, the 5D line is not intended to be in the same class as the 1D bodies. And, the 5D2 release price was, I believe, lower than the release price of the 5D Classic! Yes, it has a higher price tag than the crop bodies, as one would expect... But the 5D Classic sparked quite a phenomenon of "full-frame love", and despite the disappointments with the 5D2, that phenomenon is still an active force for people who want to trade some money for the full-frame lovin' !
Tony
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