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Jan 21, 2012 07:46 |  #331

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Does anyone know if multiple flashguns can be used per group. Lets say one for group A, one in group B, and two flashes for group C.

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Jan 22, 2012 19:46 as a reply to  @ DHPHOTO66's post |  #332

Just started using these with a 580EXII and 580EX. Few questions for those that have used them for a while.

1) If not using all 3 groups is it possible to hide them from the TCU so you don't have to cycle through?

2) Has anyone upgraded firmware, or know what version they are running. Didn't see a utility on the phottix site.

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Jan 22, 2012 22:01 |  #333

adammazza wrote in post #13750346 (external link)
Just started using these with a 580EXII and 580EX. Few questions for those that have used them for a while.

1) If not using all 3 groups is it possible to hide them from the TCU so you don't have to cycle through?

2) Has anyone upgraded firmware, or know what version they are running. Didn't see a utility on the phottix site.

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1) If you set the group to OFF its hidden from the screen which makes the screen a little clearer, but it doesn't remove it from the scrolling menu.

A tip though, when you change a power setting (or FEC setting) of a group, if you make the change and just leave it blinking, then go on to take a shot etc, when you press [SEL] again it will go straight back to that group you just set. So if its the same group your adjusting a lot you won't need to scroll at all that way.

It would be good if they could remove OFF groups from the scrolling though. I suggested they atleast remove the channel setting from the groups as theres no need to be scrolling that all the time either.

Its fairly quick and simple as it is, but that main group power/FEC setting should be as absolutely fast as possible.

2) There hasn't really been a firmware update yet, except for those that had beta models. That update is available here -
http://journal.phottix​.com …irmware-release-download/ (external link)
Pretty sure that would be the version you already have though.

Looking forward to the first firmware update, a change to 1/3 stop manual power setting would be number 1 on the wishlist (though that may be expecting more than is possible at this stage).


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Jan 23, 2012 01:57 |  #334

Yes, you can have as many flashes in a group as you want, as long as you have receivers for them. You can even designate one group as manual and the others in TTL.


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Jan 30, 2012 16:12 |  #335

At last I got them. First complaint is that extra click we have to make when scrolling through. I hope they move the channel option somewhere else if possible.
Second complaint concerns the screen which freezes when cold.

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Jan 31, 2012 00:46 |  #336

elv wrote in post #13751119 (external link)
Looking forward to the first firmware update, a change to 1/3 stop manual power setting would be number 1 on the wishlist (though that may be expecting more than is possible at this stage).

Fully agree with this one, the full stop between setting's in Manual is a real pain.

@ Kaapu, interesting about the cold, I live in South Africa, so not a problem here. But good to know.


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Jan 31, 2012 10:44 |  #337

josef wrote in post #13798551 (external link)
Fully agree with this one, the full stop between setting's in Manual is a real pain.

@ Kaapu, interesting about the cold, I live in South Africa, so not a problem here. But good to know.

Yes this would be a valiable update, as for the screen freeing in cold weather that is native to most LCD screens in exteme cold and you can see the Odin is not very insulated against this...As for the clicks, I have figured out its 4 clicks from group A, 3 from group B and so on...I dont even look at the screen anymore


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Feb 01, 2012 14:10 |  #338

Moppie wrote in post #13589028 (external link)
The Odin transmitter needs to be on the cameras hot shoe, but you could use a pass through E-TTL cable with either the Odin or the on camera flash on the cable.

Or, you could put the on camera flash on a bracket with another odin reciever in a different group.

So Moppie if I understand well (and this is something that I was about to ask the forum)
I can use a cable that goes to the hot shoe on the camera , this cable has pass which means that has another hot shoe on top of it and here is where I put my ODIN. and the cable itself has on the other end a hot shoe to put my flash
So this cable pass the information(TTL) from my camera to ODIN and also with same accuracy to the flash that can be mounted in bracket for fill light
Is that correct ?
Where do you find such cable
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Feb 01, 2012 17:52 |  #339

ernestoqr wrote in post #13807652 (external link)
So Moppie if I understand well (and this is something that I was about to ask the forum)
I can use a cable that goes to the hot shoe on the camera , this cable has pass which means that has another hot shoe on top of it and here is where I put my ODIN. and the cable itself has on the other end a hot shoe to put my flash
So this cable pass the information(TTL) from my camera to ODIN and also with same accuracy to the flash that can be mounted in bracket for fill light
Is that correct ?
Where do you find such cable
Thanks

I doubt that will work. I have the Phottix duo cord so will try that later with the cord. But Ishoot and Yongnuo have dual cords too which give different results with different gear, so they may still work even if the Phottix doesn't.

If you put the Odin TCU on camera hotshoe, and flash on Odin Rx on top of the on-camera flash bracket, that will work (and no cords needed then).


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Feb 01, 2012 22:20 |  #340

elv wrote in post #13808868 (external link)
I doubt that will work. I have the Phottix duo cord so will try that later with the cord. But Ishoot and Yongnuo have dual cords too which give different results with different gear, so they may still work even if the Phottix doesn't.

If you put the Odin TCU on camera hotshoe, and flash on Odin Rx on top of the on-camera flash bracket, that will work (and no cords needed then).

yes but that takes an additional receiver/150 USD:lol::o




  
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Feb 01, 2012 22:27 |  #341

ernestoqr wrote in post #13807652 (external link)
So Moppie if I understand well (and this is something that I was about to ask the forum)
I can use a cable that goes to the hot shoe on the camera , this cable has pass which means that has another hot shoe on top of it and here is where I put my ODIN. and the cable itself has on the other end a hot shoe to put my flash
So this cable pass the information(TTL) from my camera to ODIN and also with same accuracy to the flash that can be mounted in bracket for fill light
Is that correct ?
Where do you find such cable
Thanks



I don't know if it will work, but I don't see why it wouldn't work.

I've used two flashes this way, one on a pass through and one on the cable and the E-TTL functioned for both.


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Feb 01, 2012 22:33 |  #342

Moppie wrote in post #13810578 (external link)
I don't know if it will work, but I don't see why it wouldn't work.

I've used two flashes this way, one on a pass through and one on the cable and the E-TTL functioned for both.

good to know .... this way I can save on the receiver. I will be testing this in a week or so I will let everybody know how it worked.Thanks




  
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Feb 01, 2012 23:30 as a reply to  @ ernestoqr's post |  #343

Ok I just tried it with the Phottix Duo cord.... and it "almost" really works!

(I'm sure I tried this before and got nothing though, below may expain why)

The main issue is though (if I can try to explain this simply)... if I point both the on camera flash and slave in the same direction, both in ETTL, it will double the exposure.

If I do the same with 2 recievers instead of the cord it gives the correct exposure, not double.

So its just not simple to control ETTL ratios on a subject in any logical way if that makes sense.

With background lights (on Odin RX) set to manual and flash on camera set to ETTL for the subject it works fine! Manual all around also works fine.

I did this both with the flash on the camera end of the pass thru cord and the Odin on the camera end of the pass through cord. Same results.

Now the fine print.. you must have the flash and Odin TCU both connected to the cord and both turned on all the time or the Odin receivers will not fire (maybe this is why I could not get the Odin TCU to work on the cord before)

But more of a concern I got a number of ERROR 99 locking up the camera and also full dumps in ETTL. These were both after I was switching the Odin TCU and Flash to either ends of the cord. I had to fiddle around with setting etc to get them working normally again each time. This may only be an issue because I was changing things around a lot. Time with one set up would tell.

So initial conclusion - an extra receiver for flash on camera (bracket) is much more intuitive to start with, does ETTL correctly (no additional) and has no risk of errors or full dumps etc.

I wouldn't buy the cord just to do this (or in the hope of saving money on an extra RX), but may be worth a play if you already own one (at your own risk).


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