Phottix Odin, Wireless E-TTL that works!!!!

aerosmith9110 wrote in post #13245608
I think he was mentioning Hyper sync ( PW feature )... and yes.. HSS works. I tried 1/8000

It's the same thing..lol

williejr wrote in post #13245624
It's the same thing..lol

If you say so, I'm not a PW guy. But The explanation for Hyper sync was given to me is a little different from The HSS I know.

Optimized High Speed Sync
http://www.pocketwizar​d.com …s/technology/fp​_sync_hss/

HyperSync
http://www.pocketwizar​d.com …hnology/hypersy​nc_fpsync/

IDK, But PW has 2 different page for it. might be the same ( why not put it on the same page ) or might be not ( possibly its different. )
again. Not a PW guy. PW is expensive here.

From PW site:
" HyperSync is very different than High Speed Sync. HSS works only with certain speedlights and reduces the power output to pulse the light over a longer period. HyperSync works with any flash allowing you to use it with speedlights or the far more powerful studio lights. "

I'm just saying, is there a difference between shooting PW Hypersync @ 1/4000 vs HSS @ 1/4000...?

My understanding from PW terminology :

Hyper Sync = Ability to sync Studio/monolight strobes beyond camera body's sync speed without curtain shadow. Non-ETTL
http://www.pocketwizar​d.com …hnology/hypersy​nc_fpsync/

HSS (high speed sync) = speedlites' specific ability to sync with camera body via ETTL

We can safely assume ODIN has no HyperSync function with non-ETTL devices.

aerosmith9110 wrote in post #13245474
Sir, My 580ex2 have 1/1 , 1/1 - 1/3 , 1/1 - 2/3 etc... I'm not sure what you mean by " These are the limits of the Canon flash system, not the Odin. " as the odin only has 1/1 , 1/2 , 1/4, etc...

Really??

I've only tried it on a 550ex and it follows the same power levels.

Having 1/3 stops would be nice for finer power control.

williejr wrote in post #13245944
I'm just saying, is there a difference between shooting PW Hypersync @ 1/4000 vs HSS @ 1/4000...?

HyperSync only works little above max sync speed. After that it is HSS mode. For example on my 1dmk2, I could use HyperSync upto 1/640 and for anything higher than that, it will be HSS mode.

Now why HyperSync and not use HSS mode starting with 1/250, Power Loss.

When you at 1/250 or what every the max sync speed of your camera and then you go little above than max sync speed you loose almost 3 stops of lights. Yes right 3 stops, so HSS mode doesn't come for cheap. With HyperSync PW folks allow adjusting the timing on when flash fires so you don't get power loss or should I say as much power loss. For example I can shoot at 1/640 and my power loss compared to 1/250 might be < 1 stop while if I was using HSS mode my power loss would be like 4 stops (3 stops for HSS mode and then 1 more stop from say 1/320 to 1/640).

Does anyone know if these are compatible with the Sigma DG Super flashes?

bobbyz wrote in post #13246984
HyperSync only works little above max sync speed. After that it is HSS mode. For example on my 1dmk2, I could use HyperSync upto 1/640 and for anything higher than that, it will be HSS mode.

Now why HyperSync and not use HSS mode starting with 1/250, Power Loss.

The beauty of Hyper Sync is no power loss, AND it works with most strobes, making it a lot more versatile.
Would love to be able to shoot at 1/500th with my Elinchroms. I might consider a battery pack then.

The Odins look rather good, but one of the key advantages of the PW Mini/Flexs is that they do things that the basic Canon system does not.

That is, HyperSync which raises the nominal x-sync speed by up to 2/3rds of a stop, say 1/250sec up to 1/400sec depending on the camera. With no loss of flash power.

PWs offer Optimised HSS which, with Canon, raises the HSS output by tayloring the output exactly to the shutter speed cycle time. The benefit is typically more than one stop of light compared to stock.

Optimised second curtain sync, which times the firing of the flash more accurately. Do the Odins offer remote second curtain sync at all?

Can the Odins do any of this stuff?

(There is also another version of HSS which is sometimes called 'hypersync' but is more accurately described as a tail-sync hack. The PWs offer that too, though I'm not sure why anyone would want to use it, given the alternatives.)

Hoppy1 wrote in post #13252332
Can the Odins do any of this stuff?

Think of the Odins as like using the existing Canon off camera flash system, but using wireless radio signals rather than infra red, and with a proper set of controls on the camera.

For HSS it uses the Canon system, so it also does second curtain sync.


While the pocket wizards have Hyper Syc (which works with almost any strobe), the Odins do a number of things the PW won't.

They allow you to set the A, B and C groups allowed for in the Canon system, remotely.
You can adjust the shooting mode of each group (manual or E-TTL) then adjust the out put from each group. For any groups working E-TTL this also means you can set different ratios between them.

This means you could set up two lights in manual mode in a single group as background lights.
Then have a key light and fill light working in E-TTL at a different ratio with exposure compensation set.

Moppie wrote in post #13252401
Think of the Odins as like using the existing Canon off camera flash system, but using wireless radio signals rather than infra red, and with a proper set of controls on the camera.

For HSS it uses the Canon system, so it also does second curtain sync.

While the pocket wizards have Hyper Syc (which works with almost any strobe), the Odins do a number of things the PW won't.

They allow you to set the A, B and C groups allowed for in the Canon system, remotely.
You can adjust the shooting mode of each group (manual or E-TTL) then adjust the out put from each group. For any groups working E-TTL this also means you can set different ratios between them.

This means you could set up two lights in manual mode in a single group as background lights.
Then have a key light and fill light working in E-TTL at a different ratio with exposure compensation set.

Thanks They do look very promising, and if they just do the one thing that PWs struggle with, ie reliability and range issues due to RF interference, that will be well worth having.

The standard Canon system doesn't do remote second curtain sync though, so can you confirm that the Odins do? That would be another plus, and something that Radio Poppers don't offer (as they exactly mirror Canon's functionality).

Hoppy1 wrote in post #13252430
The standard Canon system doesn't do remote second curtain sync though, so can you confirm that the Odins do? That would be another plus, and something that Radio Poppers don't offer (as they exactly mirror Canon's functionality).

Yes, they do it remotely

bobbyz wrote in post #13246984
HyperSync only works little above max sync speed. After that it is HSS mode. For example on my 1dmk2, I could use HyperSync upto 1/640 and for anything higher than that, it will be HSS mode.

Now why HyperSync and not use HSS mode starting with 1/250, Power Loss.

When you at 1/250 or what every the max sync speed of your camera and then you go little above than max sync speed you loose almost 3 stops of lights. Yes right 3 stops, so HSS mode doesn't come for cheap. With HyperSync PW folks allow adjusting the timing on when flash fires so you don't get power loss or should I say as much power loss. For example I can shoot at 1/640 and my power loss compared to 1/250 might be < 1 stop while if I was using HSS mode my power loss would be like 4 stops (3 stops for HSS mode and then 1 more stop from say 1/320 to 1/640).

Bobby, HyperSync will work all the way up to the highest shutter speed available on the camera without HSS kicking in. You just need to set it via the PW Utility program. But you are right at in the default setting HSS does kick in above 1/400 or 1/500.

Moppie wrote in post #13252589
Yes, they do it remotely

Thanks

PacAce wrote in post #13253703
Bobby, HyperSync will work all the way up to the highest shutter speed available on the camera without HSS kicking in. You just need to set it via the PW Utility program. But you are right at in the default setting HSS does kick in above 1/400 or 1/500.

Confusing HyperSync (as opposed to the tail-sync hack sometimes called 'hypersync') cannot work at highest shutter speeds.

Hoppy1 wrote in post #13254596
Thanks



Confusing HyperSync (as opposed to the tail-sync hack sometimes called 'hypersync') cannot work at highest shutter speeds.

And you know this for a fact because....?

The only difference between a shutter speed of, say, 1/400 and 1/4000 is the separation between the 1st and 2nd curtains. So, if HyperSync works at 1/400, why wouldn't it work at 1/4000?