OFFICIAL: Canon 1D X announced

umphotography wrote in post #14031246
Jeff Ashcroft reports that the 5D3, to his eyes is at least 2-2 1/2 stops iso improvement over the 5D2. My source that has had a 1Dx in his hands says the same thing but more like 3 stops improvement. The 1Dx is supposed to be better than the 5D3. If reports are true and the 1Dx exceeds a 5D3 by 1 stop,,,you have your answer.

6400 looks very clean and usable on these 5D3 files coming in. I will bet 8000 is going to be usable as well. If the 1dx is 1 stop improvement, and it very well could be more with the dedicated sensor, you have your 4 stops. When i shot a 25000 ISO JPEG file at wppi,,my jaw dropped when i brought the zoom all the way in. It was cleaner than a 40d file i have at 1600 iso. It looked like 1000-1200 iso. Its that clean.

There is not enough stuff out on the 5d3 to get an accurate figure about ISO and IQ. However, I believe every word jeff has said. Even though he is a canon spokes person, his reputation is very solid among photographers. You can bet your butt that the 1Dx will beat out a 5D3 in the iso department. If its a stop,,look out.

We shall see. Lots of reasons to wait for a purchase this year. 1Dx performance is the primary one. I cant wait until digital picture and DP review get the reviews out on these cameras.

One thing for sure--- 2012 and 2013 will be a very expensive years for a lot of people in our industry.

I'm not doing a thing until 1Dx reports are out and we can get the facts. I'm bet-in 12000 ISO is going to look like 3200-4000 on the 5D3,,maybe better based upon what i saw and heard at WPPi. I think its a game changer camera.

I suppose we'll see when these hit the streets and Adobe releases updates for the 1D X and 5D3. I'm not going to make a move until these occur. Unlike a lot of people here I don't shoot for hire or sell my photography, it's a business tool. I've had to take cuts on several contracts and have lost others.

Hopefully Adobe has the updates up for the 5D3 soon, no telling about the 1D X since we don't even have a firm price or delivery date.

K6AZ wrote in post #14031307
I suppose we'll see when these hit the streets and Adobe releases updates for the 1D X and 5D3. I'm not going to make a move until these occur. Unlike a lot of people here I don't shoot for hire or sell my photography, it's a business tool. I've had to take cuts on several contracts and have lost others.

Hopefully Adobe has the updates up for the 5D3 soon, no telling about the 1D X since we don't even have a firm price or delivery date.

We are in the same boat. Business is going great. We have 23 weddings booked this year and so far, 6 for 2013. I expect to be booked out for 2013 before the end of the year and the family and senior side is moving in the right direction. We kept 45K plus shots last year just for weddings. I love the MKIV and the MKIII But we need another full frame body. If this 1Dx is as good as it appears, We will sell the MKIII and get it. Ive got 2 seasons of use left on this 5D2. Shutter count is going up quickly but thats a good problem to have at this point.

umphotography wrote in post #14031376
We are in the same boat. Business is going great. We have 23 weddings booked this year and so far, 6 for 2013. I expect to be booked out for 2013 before the end of the year and the family and senior side is moving in the right direction. We kept 45K plus shots last year just for weddings. I love the MKIV and the MKIII But we need another full frame body. If this 1Dx is as good as it appears, We will sell the MKIII and get it. Ive got 2 seasons of use left on this 5D2. Shutter count is going up quickly but thats a good problem to have at this point.

Let me ask you this since you are in the shoot-for-hire business - considering some of the significant price increases for equipment will this be easy to pass along to your customers or will it eat into your earnings? Lately I've felt stuck between a rock and a hard place with the way things are going and 30-40% increases for equipment is a hard pill to swallow. I suppose if you look at this body as the replacement for the 1Ds3 it's not really an increase but those of us who got used to the APS-H bodies are being hit hard.

umphotography wrote in post #14031246
Jeff Ashcroft reports that the 5D3, to his eyes is at least 2-2 1/2 stops iso improvement over the 5D2. My source that has had a 1Dx in his hands says the same thing but more like 3 stops improvement. The 1Dx is supposed to be better than the 5D3. If reports are true and the 1Dx exceeds a 5D3 by 1 stop,,,you have your answer.

6400 looks very clean and usable on these 5D3 files coming in. I will bet 8000 is going to be usable as well. If the 1dx is 1 stop improvement, and it very well could be more with the dedicated sensor, you have your 4 stops. When i shot a 25000 ISO JPEG file at wppi,,my jaw dropped when i brought the zoom all the way in. It was cleaner than a 40d file i have at 1600 iso. It looked like 1000-1200 iso. Its that clean.

There is not enough stuff out on the 5d3 to get an accurate figure about ISO and IQ. However, I believe every word jeff has said. Even though he is a canon spokes person, his reputation is very solid among photographers. You can bet your butt that the 1Dx will beat out a 5D3 in the iso department. If its a stop,,look out.

We shall see. Lots of reasons to wait for a purchase this year. 1Dx performance is the primary one. I cant wait until digital picture and DP review get the reviews out on these cameras.

One thing for sure--- 2012 and 2013 will be a very expensive years for a lot of people in our industry.

I'm not doing a thing until 1Dx reports are out and we can get the facts. I'm bet-in 12000 ISO is going to look like 3200-4000 on the 5D3,,maybe better based upon what i saw and heard at WPPi. I think its a game changer camera.

Hope you are right with regards to the 1DX. I have felt quite happy since ordering. It's an important camera for them, I am sure they will get it right.

K6AZ wrote in post #14030912
I'll tell you this much - if this thing has a three stop improvement in camera I'll get in line regardless of price.

I'm hoping for that over the 5D2. I'll take 2 stops, but 3 would be fabulous! (said with Jazz hands.)

FlyingPhotog wrote in post #14030966
Both the 1DX and 5D3 interested parties may just have to go take up knitting for a little while...

Both are announced and the restrictions are off those who tested them. I think there will be more and more info pouring out before the stores start putting smiles on customer's faces.

Then the floodgates will really open.

Erik S. Klein wrote in post #14031834
I'm hoping for that over the 5D2. I'll take 2 stops, but 3 would be fabulous! (said with Jazz hands.)

If it is indeed three stops and that is independently verified there will be a very long waiting list for it.

Honestly, I'd be happy with even 2 stops. Regardless, I was sorta waiting to see what the 5d3 was going to bring to the table before committing to the 1DX (I assumed the 5D would be out AFTER the 1DX). But honestly, I think I am going to go all the way on this one. Last time, I passed on the 1D3, because it just didn't have enough to warrant the extra cost over the 5D2. I don't think that's the case this time.

Todd Lambert wrote in post #14031894
Honestly, I'd be happy with even 2 stops. Regardless, I was sorta waiting to see what the 5d3 was going to bring to the table before committing to the 1DX (I assumed the 5D would be out AFTER the 1DX). But honestly, I think I am going to go all the way on this one. Last time, I passed on the 1D3, because it just didn't have enough to warrant the extra cost over the 5D2. I don't think that's the case this time.

Considering the improvement the APS-H sensor had over the 5D2 sensor I can see two stops. No way until it's out and we see the images. I'm not going to make any moves until all four bodies are out and RAW samples can be analyzed (1D X, 5D2, D4, D800).

K6AZ wrote in post #14031457
Let me ask you this since you are in the shoot-for-hire business - considering some of the significant price increases for equipment will this be easy to pass along to your customers or will it eat into your earnings? Lately I've felt stuck between a rock and a hard place with the way things are going and 30-40% increases for equipment is a hard pill to swallow. I suppose if you look at this body as the replacement for the 1Ds3 it's not really an increase but those of us who got used to the APS-H bodies are being hit hard.

K6AZ- we photograph wedding, families and Hs seniors. The mid west got slammed with this recession. Average costs for wedding photography services in central Minnesota for 81% of the market is B/T the 1200.00-2800.00 price points. 9% of the market is above $2800.00, 10% of the market is below $1200.00. Thats just simple fact verified from the wedding industry reports.

It all comes down to costs of doing business. My accountant will tell me pay tax on this, or buy this and pay tax on this. Its seems like its all a big numbers game with uncle Sam. I just have no clue how it all works. So we do what our accountant tells us to do. We allow so much for equipment and depreation for a 3 yr cycle and we purposely baught cameras seperately each year so that as we depreciate it out, we sell it, apply the funds to another and start the depreciation process over again. Kind of complicated but it keeps me out of hot water with the IRS and it keeps my camera gear current.

Some things im not going to do. As you mentioned about the new 24-70. My old one works great, its depreciated out, im not buying a new one. Same for my 70-200. All our glass works great and i see no need to upgrade to version II glass. So its looking like 2013 will be a good time to jump on this 1Dx,especially if we come close to booking out by December. Allen told me a couple years ago to listen to my accountant,,,man was he ever right

Todd we did the same thing and baught 5D series and passed on the 1Ds. It was a great move and i would not change a thing about what we did. but I think we will we in a good position for 2013 and i dont think i want to pass on the 1DX this time around. But its got to be as good as they say or i will get a 5D3. This time im in the drivers seat. It was tough when we started this 5 yrs ago. Funds were limited and we struggled just like everyone else. Its a business and you have to run it like a business or you wont be around very long.

Well, at least it appears you will be able to see the 5D3 in action first. That may be great for people who do weddings. It's going to be interesting to see what the differences are in the two sensors when it comes to noise and DR.

Obviously I know nothing about the upcoming 24-70, but the 70-200 mk2 is in my opinion a dramatic improvement on the older version. Before making a decision, you really should get your supplier to let you try one. I'm very lucky, my local shop lets me trial everything for at least a week.

Lowner wrote in post #14033792
Obviously I know nothing about the upcoming 24-70, but the 70-200 mk2 is in my opinion a dramatic improvement on the older version. Before making a decision, you really should get your supplier to let you try one. I'm very lucky, my local shop lets me trial everything for at least a week.

I have.. I can get the same results in Post

3 stops, huh, what, that I did not know. If that's the case I may have to rethink the 1DX and may be able to turn a blind eye on the lack of f8 AF. Let me see; sell the 1D3, 5D2 and a couple lenses I don't use that much - ummmm. Either way though I won't be in the front of the line. As others, I will have to wait at let others be the lab rats.

Al

Methodical wrote in post #14035091
3 stops, huh, what, that I did not know. If that's the case I may have to rethink the 1DX and may be able to turn a blind eye on the lack of f8 AF. Let me see; sell the 1D3, 5D2 and a couple lenses I don't use that much - ummmm. Either way though I won't be in the front of the line. As others, I will have to wait at let others be the lab rats.

Al

Something tells me there is going to be a difference in the 1D X sensor. The general theory was that Canon 'crippled' the 5D2 to protect sales of 1Ds3 bodies. Since the 5D body will no longer have the 'crippled' AF I would expect there to be some difference in IQ.