OFFICIAL: Canon 1D X announced

Sorry if already posted. Chuck Westfall talks about a few things like the f8 focus thing.

http://www.dougbrownph​otography.com …ll-on-the-canon-eos-1d-x/

MDJAK wrote in post #13297755
So here's my question and dilema.

Suppose, just suppose I don't:
1. Use high ISO, at least never above 3200 because the type shooting I do never requires it.

2. I almost never use my measly 8FPS on my 1DIV now, choosing instead to selectively press the shutter button.

3. There's already too many buttons on the 1DIV, and to have extra ones in front of the lens would just confuse the hell out of me, and I'm confused already.

4. I almost never use the vertical buttons, even when I do turn the camera that way, so don't need the new joystick layout.

5. The LCD is only marginally better according to the specs.

6. The price is almost $3,000 more.

Maybe I'm better off keeping my 1DIV, which btw I find so much better IQ wise than my former 5DII and its banding, and putting that 3k toward a used or new 500mm lens.

Doesn't that sound like, finally, after years and years and thousands and thousands of posts, I'm finally beginning to make a semblance of sense? And I realize how scary that prospect is.

Glass will always beat body.

What is happening here is that the new camera gives you an excuse to give in to the gearslut gene and upgrade the pool of cash stored in your equipment.

Can't see anything wrong with it. If anything your lens has better long-term price stability than a body so if you need to feed the dog or something you can sell it and recover the cash. Try that with blowing money on hookers in Vegas.

Yohan Pamudji wrote in post #13301394
Obviously a no-go on the 28MP, but native ISO on the 1DX goes to 51,200! That's native ISO, i.e. before expansion. What's the max native ISO on the 1D Mark IV? 12,800? Let's assume then that the ISO performance is 2 stops better. I'd say that's "awesome" ISO performance if true. Waiting to see some full size high ISO samples though.

People really miss the point about the lower noise.

The problem is that it isn't clear-cut 1 stop better, or 2 stops better. I did pretty extensive testing with a 5d2 and 7d and how much better the 5d2 is depends on a lot of factors.

The noise reduction done in jpg or in dpp is absolutely essential in the 7d (remember that turning it "off" in the picture parameters still does NR on the jpg both in the camera and in dpp). The noise at the pixel density of the 7d is what I called "shocking" when I first looked at it. How good the picture looks in the end, compared to the 5d2, is hence not only a function of noise but also of noise reduction. The NR algorithm that Canon uses in the camera and in DPP is impressive to me.

The 5d2 has much less and to my eyes less annoying at same amount noise and I've been able to use quite a few 5d2 shots without any NR (as in not even dpps), or use a picture where a NRed picture is applied with a layer mask where needed.

Anyway, the point is, how much damage the noise does is very variable and you can't put it into "so and so many f-stop terms". I had cases where the 7d just smeared out things to the point on unusable pictures. Worst of all, you can't predict when this will happen. So while shooting you take your chances but you don't really know for sure.

That's why I currently ended up with the 5d2 in my bag. Uncertainty. I like really sharp pictures and I try to keep the exposure time lower than most, and the 5d2 is *safer* here. I might still be in the safe zone with a 7d but I don't know. I might be in the "goo" zone without knowing it. I don't know whether I have 1 or 1-2/3rd or whatever f-stop difference. It's variable. Plus my wife likes the 7d better than the 5d2 now.

I begin to really like this camera and I can't recall offhand why I need to drive a convertible, so...

jwcdds wrote in post #13299678
I don't think it works that way. I think it's about numbers of sensors per wafer cost. But even then, I'm sure the difference isn't $2000 for Canon. There's still a generous mark-up, but as long as people are willing to buy, they have every right to mark it up. It's Economics 101.

From what i understand the reason Pentax got the price of the 645D so low was by basically agreeing to purchase a LARGE number of sensors from the fab, Which made them cheaper...

I dont know too much about sensor fabrication in this instance...Sorry

AJG1 wrote in post #13305200
I'm bloody well getting one!

Get on the preorder list with Adorama. They've been taking orders since Monday.

uOpt wrote in post #13305831
People really miss the point about the lower noise.

The problem is that it isn't clear-cut 1 stop better, or 2 stops better. I did pretty extensive testing with a 5d2 and 7d and how much better the 5d2 is depends on a lot of factors.

The noise reduction done in jpg or in dpp is absolutely essential in the 7d (remember that turning it "off" in the picture parameters still does NR on the jpg both in the camera and in dpp). The noise at the pixel density of the 7d is what I called "shocking" when I first looked at it. How good the picture looks in the end, compared to the 5d2, is hence not only a function of noise but also of noise reduction. The NR algorithm that Canon uses in the camera and in DPP is impressive to me.

The 5d2 has much less and to my eyes less annoying at same amount noise and I've been able to use quite a few 5d2 shots without any NR (as in not even dpps), or use a picture where a NRed picture is applied with a layer mask where needed.

Anyway, the point is, how much damage the noise does is very variable and you can't put it into "so and so many f-stop terms". I had cases where the 7d just smeared out things to the point on unusable pictures. Worst of all, you can't predict when this will happen. So while shooting you take your chances but you don't really know for sure.

That's why I currently ended up with the 5d2 in my bag. Uncertainty. I like really sharp pictures and I try to keep the exposure time lower than most, and the 5d2 is *safer* here. I might still be in the safe zone with a 7d but I don't know. I might be in the "goo" zone without knowing it. I don't know whether I have 1 or 1-2/3rd or whatever f-stop difference. It's variable. Plus my wife likes the 7d better than the 5d2 now.

I begin to really like this camera and I can't recall offhand why I need to drive a convertible, so...

Not to start a 5D II debate but, I sold my 5D II for a few reasons. Low ISO banding is one of them. There is no excuse for this sensor to have that. AF,AF,AF....I'm not a focus recompose type of guy.

jdizzle wrote in post #13306545
Not to start a 5D II debate but, I sold my 5D II for a few reasons. Low ISO banding is one of them. There is no excuse for this sensor to have that. AF,AF,AF....I'm not a focus recompose type of guy.

I used the 7d for a while before switching to the 5d2. While shooting the 5d2 feels like a stupid toy, except for the larger viewfinder which is occasionally useful.

I often use exposure bracketing, so I can take a shady area for the higher exposure shot. Not ideal but what you gonna do? Oh right, buy a $6998 camera

Canon made sure that you "need" either a 1d something or else both the 5d2 and 7d.

Okay, my plan is in place. I've asked all of the 391 Facebook "friends" to donate $17 toward my 1DX. This is a done deal.

A lot of people will miss the APS-H.

But many people won't even notice the difference. I use a FF alongside a 1.3 all the time, and hardly even think about the difference.

uOpt wrote in post #13306605
I used the 7d for a while before switching to the 5d2. While shooting the 5d2 feels like a stupid toy, except for the larger viewfinder which is occasionally useful.

I often use exposure bracketing, so I can take a shady area for the higher exposure shot. Not ideal but what you gonna do? Oh right, buy a $6998 camera

Canon made sure that you "need" either a 1d something or else both the 5d2 and 7d.

LOL! I'm pretty much covered for anything once I get this body. Canon 1Ds III and Canon 1D X. How could I miss with that combo?

george m w wrote in post #13306659
But many people won't even notice the difference. I use a FF alongside a 1.3 all the time, and hardly even think about the difference.

I notice the difference when using the 16-35L and 24-70L and I prefer these lenses on a FF camera.

That's why I keep my older 5D and is the major appeal of the 1DX. I don't like how the main wide end Canon zoom lenses match up for focal length range on 1.3X as much as FF.

I worked hard to get our business built up and I could not afford to buy the 1DsMK111 so we opted to use 5D,s and 40/7D combos to do the job. Now that things are going the way we want them to go and we can step up for better equipment I really have mixed emotions on the new camera. We have got by for the last 4 hrs w/o a 1Ds. We really appreciate the quality of these 1D series cameras,absolutely love the Mark111. A 1DMKiV is looking better and better,especially a canon refirb at 4200.00 bucks.

Canonwhitelens, thanks for that video. Really think I'm gonna pass on this new 1Dx camera. Just not gonna invest that much for one body when other great options are still available. A 10-22 mod or the tokina is looking better and better for me

digital paradise wrote in post #13305523
Sorry if already posted. Chuck Westfall talks about a few things like the f8 focus thing.

http://www.dougbrownph​otography.com …ll-on-the-canon-eos-1d-x/

Gah I hate interviews like that where the tech interviewed has so few actual answers/dodges too many of them but great info overall. However along with the comments on on f8 AF I noticed this:

DB: I’ve read that the AE and AF systems also incorporate face detection. Some wildlife photographers are concerned that face detection may confuse the AF system when photographing animals. Is there any way to disable the feature?
CW: The default AF mode is phase detect AF. Color and face detection is optional, but you can’t choose one or the other. It’s PDAF plus Color and Face Detection or PDAF only.

Which sounds odd that they'd have a colour-aware AF system, which also forces you to only work with only human faces

And i was expecting the next release from canon to have 100+ megapixels and an articulating touch screen. Tisk tisk tisk..
It seems Canon have listened to what consumers really want.. Or maybe those features are being reserved for the XXXD, XXD and XD series