why would you go from from 1d mkiv to 1dx

delhi wrote in post #13271276
If your 1d4 is meeting your needs, then there's no reason to upgrade to the 1dx. If your rebel T1i is meeting your needs, there is no reason to upgrade to a 7D. So on and so forth....

But once those duck picture by 1dx owners threads start showing up here, then you will find a reason to upgrade.

And Cat pictures too!

I think very few people will sell a 1D mk4 for an X, I think people will be selling 5D MK2s for the X

Snydremark wrote in post #13270800
Because you have:

A) Identified something that it does that you need and the 1D IV doesn't

or

B) Have some disposable income and just enjoy shiny, new things

In your case, it sounds like neither one, so I wouldn't.

option B for me..............

I have been waiting for 5D3 for a while. 1Dx is a dream come true -- 18M, FF, super good low light performance, super fast focus, full body (no need to buy additional bettery grip).

what else can one ask for?

Only want to see how its high ISO performance againt Nikon D3S.

TripleG wrote in post #13271805
As a 1D4 owner I think there is lot there to like and some things to not like but the biggest drawback to me is that Canon is forcing 1D owners down an upgrade path that costs $6800. We use to have a choice on whether we wanted to pay extra for a pro FF body. Now we don't. They merged but kept the 1Ds price. I love Canon equipment but that is just greedy.

I agree with this. Merging the 1D and 1Ds line looks like a bargain for the 1Ds user, but for the 1D user this is a 50% price hike.

It doesn't appear that there will be a 1D Mark 5, so if you want to move to a newer body from the 1D4 at some point, the $6800 1DX is the only choice.

On the other hand, a 1D4 + 5D2 is not cheaper than a single 1DX. But the two body approach offers higher resolution for both the sports camera and the FF and offers the security of a backup body.

I'm quite happy they're coming out with this body. It's got everything I need...except an affordable price point. I'm hoping the price will come down some or be discounted by the people selling them. It's just a LOT of change to cough up.

delhi wrote in post #13271866
1dsIII had a initial MSRP of over US$8000. If you don't mind 3MP reduction. The 1dx renders the 1dsIII line obsolete.

1D bodies all had MSRP of $5000. This is almost a 40% increase in price over that. And for 1D4 owners
we lose 5MP since the 1DX is 11MP at 1.3x. We also get a slower flash sync speed and no AF at f8. Don't
get me wrong the 1DX looks like a very nice camera but with the compromises it has it's hard to swallow a
price hike like that. There's no place to go either if you want a 1D. You have to pay Canons price and
they know it.

Snydremark wrote in post #13270800
Because you have:

A) Identified something that it does that you need and the 1D IV doesn't

or

B) Have some disposable income and just enjoy shiny, new things

In your case, it sounds like neither one, so I wouldn't.

Or...you suffer from GAS (Gear Acquisition Syndrome)

This announcement makes me wonder what is in store for those of us awaiting the 5D Mark III...hmmmm - I mean who has $7K to spend ($CDN of course) - I suppose there are some??

Cheers,

WesternGuy

I actually was thinking of going with the X but as the dust settles I'm not in a hurry. I have a 5Dc that does just fine for landscapes etc. The 1D4 is my true wedding , wildlife, sports workhorse.

1D X
- newer autofocus, newer technology
- full frame
- 18megapixels on a new sensor... on full frame

1D IV
- less expensive, available now
- 1.3 crop sensor, preferred by some for the illusion of magnification
- available now, did i mention that?

its also a bit harder to get a UWA for the 1d4. 5d/1ds has the 16-35 or the more affordable 17-40. 7d has the 10-22 but canon has nothing for 1d4 i guess its because that body is primarily for the sports shooter anyways.

I choose 1DMKIV. For me the bottom line is always price and return of investment. I will not get any more return on my investment if I baught the 1Dx and I doubt many others will either. There is no need to get one for bragging rights on POTN. You should get one if you can justify the need you have for a camera body.

I contacted Jeff Ascough about his decisions to switch to the 1DmkIV and his thoughts about the 1Dx. His remarks tell me he has had a 1Dx in his hands so im pretty confident A guy like Jeff would be a great person to get an opinion from.

Here are Jeff's remarks


" I have been using 5DMKII for 90% of my work this year with the 1DIV for certain situations where I need more iso.

The 1DX is a completely different camera to the 1DIV in every aspect. In fact the only thing that is remotely similar is the body shell. AF is totally different as is the metering system, processors, colour management, software, menus, viewfinder, mirror assembly and construction, shutter - it is not at all like a 1DIV. In terms of image quality the two cameras can't be compared as the 1DX has a +3 stop speed advantage over the IV.


Hope this helps-- Jeff "

1Dx is going to be an outstanding camera but I have concluded its way more camera then I need or can afford(7000.00) for my business needs. For my money, a 1DmKIV (3999.00 canon refirb or $4600.00 new) and a 5DMKII combo (2200.00) gives me two cameras that meet all my needs. Its really comes down to about $6500.00 for 2 outstanding cameras v/s 1 camera at $7000.00. As a wedding and portrait photographer, who shoots sports occasionally, and wildlife for fun, 2 camera bodies are a must have and not an option.

For me to lay out $7000.00 for a 1Dx and have to sell one of my cameras to drop the actual out of pocket expense down to $5000.00 is not that bad. I could do it. To do the same thing and pick up a 1DMKIV with an out of pocket expense at approximately $2000.00-2500.00 makes more business sense. Again, Our clients will never be able to tell any difference in the final product and a 1DMKIV get me the iso performance and Focus system I have to have for my business needs --- so the decision really gets down to bragging rights between photographers and whats in the best interest of your business. Significant reasons for a professional to upgrade to a 1D series camera over the prosumer cameras such as a 7D or a 5DMKII.

Thats why we went with the 1DMKIV over the 1Dx.

Photographers will see a fairly significant difference in the files but i can promise you with 100% certanity, your clients will not.

We are going to use a 5DMKII for full frame needs and our 1DMKIII and a new 1DMKIV for our needs. Very happy with the decisions we have made.

Eventually work is going to swap my mk3 for a second mk4 - and then in around 2 years time, are going to upgrade me to a 1dx, followed by a second 1dx a few months later.
Its just part of their equipment replacement cycle

I loved my mk2ns - then i was forced into upgrading to a pair of mk3 which i hated
Now i have a mk4 and a "lens holder" aka mk3
Im pretty happy with the mk4 - the af can be a bit fussy in low light, but i havent yet found a job where the camera couldnt make a decent picture

umphotography wrote in post #13375237
Photographers will see a fairly significant difference in the files but i can promise you with 100% certanity, your clients will not.

I think in most circumstances you are correct. However for those photographers who shoot in very low light, the differences MAY be high & it may make the difference between saleable shots and non saleable shots.

I do stress may though because until the camera is actually in the hands we can't be sure.

I believe that it will be far superior in low light but time will tell.

bigrob wrote in post #13376047
I think in most circumstances you are correct. However for those photographers who shoot in very low light, the differences MAY be high & it may make the difference between saleable shots and non saleable shots.

I do stress may though because until the camera is actually in the hands we can't be sure.

I believe that it will be far superior in low light but time will tell.

You may be Right.

Ive seen a number of wedding guys pushing the 1DMKIV to 12800 and the files are impressive. Another stop or two of light would also be impressive. I have not been in a situation where i felt i wanted 12800. But this 1Dx is supposed to be able to focus with very poor lighting conditions and its supposed to be very very clean so weather thats a game changer or not has yet to be seen.

I was really on the fence and getting Jeff's opinion and information about the 1Dx really made things complicated. In the end, 12800 is a lot of ISO, the focus system is good, so the 1DMKIV is gonna be more than i need, but im getting one before they are even harder to get than they are now.