Approve the Cookies
This website uses cookies to improve your user experience. By using this site, you agree to our use of cookies and our Privacy Policy.
OK
Forums  •   • New posts  •   • RTAT  •   • 'Best of'  •   • Gallery  •   • Gear
Guest
Forums  •   • New posts  •   • RTAT  •   • 'Best of'  •   • Gallery  •   • Gear
Register to forums    Log in

 
FORUMS Photo Sharing & Discussion Astronomy & Celestial 
Thread started 20 Oct 2011 (Thursday) 11:46
Search threadPrev/next
sponsored links (only for non-logged)

Milkyway nightscapes

 
pdxbenedetti
Senior Member
Avatar
312 posts
Gallery: 2 photos
Likes: 1027
Joined Jul 2015
Location: Salt Lake City, United States
     
Aug 08, 2016 18:18 |  #3346

brettjrob wrote in post #18089998 (external link)
Many thanks for sharing your experience.

Honestly, looking back at the last 10 pages, your widefield shots are exactly what I'm going for. And they're among the best I've ever seen -- on this forum or elsewhere! If I could get even one image similar to yours on my upcoming trip to the PNW, I'd be more than happy with my iOptron purchase.

A few more questions, on that note, using this post as a reference point:

1) When you say "4 shots for the sky, 4 shots for the foreground" -- do you mean you're only stitching together 8 separate pano frames, and there's no stacking involved for any portion of the image?

2) How do you get a perfect series of frames for stitching while using the iOptron mount? For daytime panos, I just rotate the pano base of the ballhead -- but doing this with the base of the iOptron would obviously wreck the polar alignment.

3) Do you shoot any dark frames and/or bias frames for these widefield landscape shots? If so, do you shoot them for each of the 8 frames? If not, do you use the in-camera LENR? Any moonless 2+ minute landscape shots I've tried have been fairly horrific in terms of hot pixels and purple amp glow, with LENR only helping to tame the problem, rather than eliminate it. Your foreground results here look astonishingly clean for the type of exposure settings you list (unless there was some ambient or moon lighting).

4) I take it you don't use any specialized astro software like DSS or PixInsight for the widefield stuff?

Thanks, where in the PacNW are you headed? I lived in Portland for 11 years so I can provide advice for the Oregon/SW Washington area in terms of locations if you'd like.

For your questions:

1) Yes, when I say X number of shots it refers to a panorama, unless I specifically say I stacked for an image I am always doing panorama with multiple shots.

2) I've just gotten used to loosening my ballhead and rotating the camera without disturbing the polar alignment, it takes practice and will depend on your specific ballhead, mine is fairly easy to loosen without throwing off the alignment. Also keep in mind that for the very wide angle lenses (like 24mm or even wider) you don't need an exact polar alignment for the 2-5 minute exposures. Hell, I've done a "blind" polar alignment in a cave where I used a compass to find north and leveled the tripod as best as I could and I still managed to get 1 minute exposures at 24mm with no star trailing. The wider the angle the more forgiving your polar alignment can be.

3) With the widefield landscapes I don't do any calibration frames, no darks/bias/flat frames at all, nor do I use the built in LENR since it doubles your time for a single exposure. Those shots you linked to had no moonlight, the first shot had some very residual light from the end of astronomical twilight (they were shot at ~10:30PM), but otherwise it's pitch black. Obviously the colder outside it is the better off you'll be in terms of sensor noise, if you are shooting in 80+ degree temps it will be hard to avoid having a lot of sensor noise in your long shots. Generally I can take up to 5 minute exposures in truly dark sites (bortle 1/2) and collect enough light to produce foreground shots like those, I usually raise my ISO to 1600 and shoot wide open for the aperture and that's good enough. Then I pull up the exposure a little in post processing and raise shadows/darks.

4) No, I usually just stick with Photoshop and Lightroom (plus PTGui Pro for stitching the panos) for widefield, DSS and PixInsight take quite a bit of work to get the results you want and for widefield it's just not worth it.


flickr (external link)
SmugMug (external link)
Facebook (external link)

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
alliben
Senior Member
Avatar
326 posts
Gallery: 42 photos
Likes: 297
Joined Apr 2011
     
Aug 08, 2016 20:48 |  #3347

From Northern Maine. 2 images were stitched to make it a little wider.

IMAGE: https://photos.smugmug.com/Maine-2016/i-vX8ZXhs/1/L/IMG_0248_DxO_stitch-L.jpg
IMAGE LINK: https://photos.smugmug​.com …DxO_stitch-L.jpg&lb=1&s=A  (external link) on Smugmug



  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
brettjrob
Dr. Goodness PHD
Avatar
470 posts
Likes: 30
Joined Jun 2006
Location: Norman, OK USA
     
Aug 09, 2016 22:37 |  #3348

pdxbenedetti wrote in post #18090110 (external link)
Thanks, where in the PacNW are you headed? I lived in Portland for 11 years so I can provide advice for the Oregon/SW Washington area in terms of locations if you'd like.

For your questions:

1) Yes, when I say X number of shots it refers to a panorama, unless I specifically say I stacked for an image I am always doing panorama with multiple shots.

2) I've just gotten used to loosening my ballhead and rotating the camera without disturbing the polar alignment, it takes practice and will depend on your specific ballhead, mine is fairly easy to loosen without throwing off the alignment. Also keep in mind that for the very wide angle lenses (like 24mm or even wider) you don't need an exact polar alignment for the 2-5 minute exposures. Hell, I've done a "blind" polar alignment in a cave where I used a compass to find north and leveled the tripod as best as I could and I still managed to get 1 minute exposures at 24mm with no star trailing. The wider the angle the more forgiving your polar alignment can be.

3) With the widefield landscapes I don't do any calibration frames, no darks/bias/flat frames at all, nor do I use the built in LENR since it doubles your time for a single exposure. Those shots you linked to had no moonlight, the first shot had some very residual light from the end of astronomical twilight (they were shot at ~10:30PM), but otherwise it's pitch black. Obviously the colder outside it is the better off you'll be in terms of sensor noise, if you are shooting in 80+ degree temps it will be hard to avoid having a lot of sensor noise in your long shots. Generally I can take up to 5 minute exposures in truly dark sites (bortle 1/2) and collect enough light to produce foreground shots like those, I usually raise my ISO to 1600 and shoot wide open for the aperture and that's good enough. Then I pull up the exposure a little in post processing and raise shadows/darks.

4) No, I usually just stick with Photoshop and Lightroom (plus PTGui Pro for stitching the panos) for widefield, DSS and PixInsight take quite a bit of work to get the results you want and for widefield it's just not worth it.

This is all fantastic info.

Only one follow up, about shooting frames to stitch for panos: do you just loosen the actual ball and reframe the shot subjectively to something that's roughly adjacent to the previous one? Or are you using the pano base of whatever ballhead is attached to the iOptron? As much difficulty as I've had stitching "proper" pano frames shot with a panning ballhead, I can't imagine the grief in post if I just winged it by adjusting the ball itself. I guess that may be where PTGui comes in, though -- I've only used Hugin myself.

My PNW trip will be about 10 days long and should hit up a lot of the highlights -- North Cascades, Rainier, Olympic, the Gorge, and possibly Crater Lake. I'll be with a couple non-photog buddies, but we'll be hiking every day and camping most of the days, so I'm optimistic about getting a few good opportunities (skies permitting). I've done some light research on spots that would have optimal foregrounds facing S to SSW, but any insights you have from the area would be very helpful!

Finally, I think I greatly underestimated to what extent temperature impacts amp glow and hot pixels on long exposures, and that probably explains my woes. Almost every time I've tried nightscapes has been during the summer, when we're lucky to be below 90 in the evening here in the OK/TX region, let alone below 80. Below is an attempt from last week where the foreground exposure is light painted, but I'm seeing purple fringing at the top of the frame in the sky exposure (helped, but not eliminated, by subtracting a dark frame) -- it was easily 85-90 out, even shooting this at midnight. The PNW should be a lot more forgiving in this regard, as I'm sure your elevation in the Wasatch is too.

IMAGE: https://photography-on-the.net/forum/images/hostedphotos_lq/2016/08/2/LQ_807467.jpg
Image hosted by forum (807467) © brettjrob [SHARE LINK]
THIS IS A LOW QUALITY PREVIEW. Please log in to see the good quality stuff.

Nikon D610, D5100
Samyang 14/2.8 | Nikon 18-35G, 24-85G VR, 70-200/4G VR

Flickr (external link) | 500px (external link) | skyinmotion.com (external link)
Feedback

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
MedicineMan4040
The Magic Johnson of Cameras
Avatar
22,570 posts
Gallery: 1956 photos
Best ofs: 7
Likes: 79450
Joined Jul 2013
     
Aug 10, 2016 02:11 |  #3349

What do you all think about strapping cold packs to the camera body? Crazy? Not that I get many MW opportunities but I can understand the woes of heat.


flickr (external link)
Vid Collection: https://www.youtube.co​m/user/medicineman4040 (external link)

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
Eddie
xpfloyd lookalike
Avatar
14,834 posts
Gallery: 719 photos
Best ofs: 8
Likes: 10955
Joined Feb 2011
Location: Glasgow, Scotland
     
Aug 10, 2016 09:01 |  #3350

MedicineMan4040 wrote in post #18091351 (external link)
What do you all think about strapping cold packs to the camera body? Crazy? Not that I get many MW opportunities but I can understand the woes of heat.

ive considered the opposite as had the lens frost up at times due to the cold


Leica M11 | Leica Q2 | Sony α7RV
Voigtlander 28 f/2 Ulton II | Leica 50 Summilux ASPH
16-35GM | 24GM | 35GM | 85GM | Tamron 35-150 | Sigma 105 Macro Art

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
pdxbenedetti
Senior Member
Avatar
312 posts
Gallery: 2 photos
Likes: 1027
Joined Jul 2015
Location: Salt Lake City, United States
     
Aug 10, 2016 12:12 |  #3351

At first I would just loosen the ball and pivot the camera left and right to get the shots I needed, I've gotten good enough now that I can loosen both the ball and panning/rotating portion of the ballhead mount and not disturb the alignment. Just takes practice.

I don't know much about the North Cascades, I tried shooting in Leavenworth area a few times, but the light pollution is too harsh and I couldn't get any good shots. For the Gorge I actually recommend driving up to Lost Lake, this time of year the Milky Way is very south/southwest, you still might be able to get shots of the Milky Way across the lake and with Mt Hood in the background. Laurance Lake might also be a good option as it faces more straight west and will definitely give you a Mt. Hood backdrop. Crater Lake would also be nice, there are lots of different viewpoints on the North/Northeast side of the lake to shoot from.

Shooting in high temps like that will be hard to control sensor noise, there are things people have done to reduce DSLR sensor temps, but it will require quite a bit of work and will to tear into your camera body:

http://www.cloudynight​s.com …slr/page-100#entry7352263 (external link)

Overall I don't think that image is bad at all, I'm sure you notice the sensor glow more than the average person just looking at your picture.


flickr (external link)
SmugMug (external link)
Facebook (external link)

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
MedicineMan4040
The Magic Johnson of Cameras
Avatar
22,570 posts
Gallery: 1956 photos
Best ofs: 7
Likes: 79450
Joined Jul 2013
     
Aug 10, 2016 21:07 as a reply to  @ Eddie's post |  #3352

Ha! Heat packs on the lens I've done many times and wrapped a wool sock around the whole thing but that is in the cold months.


flickr (external link)
Vid Collection: https://www.youtube.co​m/user/medicineman4040 (external link)

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
WildernessTracker
Member
Avatar
98 posts
Gallery: 10 photos
Likes: 206
Joined Mar 2015
Location: Aberdeenshire, Scotland
     
Aug 11, 2016 04:26 |  #3353

It has been a while since I was last out shooting the Milky Way. Here is a shot I took in the early hours of yesterday morning of it stretching high above our local hill.

I always see photos on here of the Milky Way and find them amazing to look at and always wonder if there is more I can get out of my raw files. This is my best attempt at processing from a single exposure, does anyone have any suggestions on how I can improve the processing on it? Any advice would be welcome. :)

IMAGE: https://c3.staticflickr.com/9/8001/28877080706_e3ac49c771_b.jpg
IMAGE LINK: https://flic.kr/p/KZLA​2Q  (external link) Milky Way over Bennachie (external link) by Andy McDonald (external link), on Flickr

flickr (external link)
Facebook (external link)
My Gear: Canon 70D, 400D | Canon EF-S 18-135 IS STM, 18-55, 55-250 IS, 50/1.8 | Samyang 14mm f/2.8 | Tamron SP 90mm f/2.8 Macro |

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
Inspeqtor
I was hit more than 15 times
Avatar
15,644 posts
Gallery: 151 photos
Likes: 8223
Joined Mar 2008
Location: Northern Indiana
     
Aug 11, 2016 12:30 |  #3354

WildernessTracker wrote in post #18092461 (external link)
It has been a while since I was last out shooting the Milky Way. Here is a shot I took in the early hours of yesterday morning of it stretching high above our local hill.

I always see photos on here of the Milky Way and find them amazing to look at and always wonder if there is more I can get out of my raw files. This is my best attempt at processing from a single exposure, does anyone have any suggestions on how I can improve the processing on it? Any advice would be welcome. :)

QUOTED IMAGE
IMAGE LINK: https://flic.kr/p/KZLA​2Q  (external link) Milky Way over Bennachie (external link) by Andy McDonald (external link), on Flickr

That is an amazing photo as it is! Much better than I could do where I live near the city....

I am thinking someone will be able to help you get even more out of your already amazing photo! :-)


Charles

The NEW POTN is now open to the public!!
https://focusonphotogr​aphy.community.forum/ (external link)

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
TheInfamousGreedo
Goldmember
1,633 posts
Likes: 4068
Joined Jun 2012
Location: Summit County, Colorado
     
Aug 11, 2016 17:50 |  #3355

IMAGE: https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8248/28889556736_be2b1d9842_b.jpg
IMAGE LINK: https://flic.kr/p/L1Sw​HN  (external link) Milky Mont Blanc (external link) by TJ Simon (external link), on Flickr

TJ Simon (external link)
flickr (external link)
Instagram (external link)

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
WildernessTracker
Member
Avatar
98 posts
Gallery: 10 photos
Likes: 206
Joined Mar 2015
Location: Aberdeenshire, Scotland
     
Aug 12, 2016 04:41 as a reply to  @ Inspeqtor's post |  #3356

Thanks. I might start a post in the discussion forum and see if I can get tips on it.

I went back and edited another two vertical images that I combined in PTGUI which I think is a bit better.

IMAGE: https://c8.staticflickr.com/9/8438/28929823535_88ae3ae679_b.jpg
IMAGE LINK: https://flic.kr/p/L5qU​CX  (external link) Bennachie Milky Way (external link) by Andy McDonald (external link), on Flickr

flickr (external link)
Facebook (external link)
My Gear: Canon 70D, 400D | Canon EF-S 18-135 IS STM, 18-55, 55-250 IS, 50/1.8 | Samyang 14mm f/2.8 | Tamron SP 90mm f/2.8 Macro |

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
Rharlan
Member
33 posts
Gallery: 1 photo
Likes: 146
Joined Jan 2014
Location: North Central Kansas
     
Aug 12, 2016 11:56 |  #3357

Milkyway with our classic Mustang. First try at shooting the Milkyway and light painting the car.

IMAGE: https://photography-on-the.net/forum/images/hostedphotos_lq/2016/08/2/LQ_807798.jpg
Image hosted by forum (807798) © Rharlan [SHARE LINK]
THIS IS A LOW QUALITY PREVIEW. Please log in to see the good quality stuff.



  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
virginie24jb
Senior Member
955 posts
Gallery: 52 photos
Best ofs: 1
Likes: 1533
Joined Dec 2013
Location: Twizel, New Zealand
     
Aug 12, 2016 15:24 |  #3358

Rharlan wrote in post #18093617 (external link)
Milkyway with our classic Mustang. First try at shooting the Milkyway and light painting the car.
Hosted photo: posted by Rharlan in
./showthread.php?p=180​93617&i=i77815246
forum: Astronomy & Celestial

Nice!! Both the car and the picture. :lol:


http://www.virginie-bitterlin.com (external link)
http://www.visiting-washington.com (external link)
Instagram (external link) - Facebook (external link)
Canon 6D, Canon T4i/650D, Canon 24-105, 18-135 IS STM, 50 f/1.8, Canon 70-200 f/4, Samyang 14mm f/2.8, Samyang 24mm f/1.4

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
jmlivingston
Member
Avatar
115 posts
Gallery: 30 photos
Likes: 231
Joined Nov 2014
Location: Mission Viejo, CA
     
Aug 12, 2016 20:20 |  #3359

Rharlan wrote in post #18093617 (external link)
Milkyway with our classic Mustang. First try at shooting the Milkyway and light painting the car.
Hosted photo: posted by Rharlan in
./showthread.php?p=180​93617&i=i77815246
forum: Astronomy & Celestial

First try? Impressive!




  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
Inspeqtor
I was hit more than 15 times
Avatar
15,644 posts
Gallery: 151 photos
Likes: 8223
Joined Mar 2008
Location: Northern Indiana
     
Aug 13, 2016 06:00 |  #3360

virginie24jb wrote in post #18093787 (external link)
Nice!! Both the car and the picture. :lol:


jmlivingston wrote in post #18094006 (external link)
First try? Impressive!

I agree with both! Very impressive on your first try!!!!!


Charles

The NEW POTN is now open to the public!!
https://focusonphotogr​aphy.community.forum/ (external link)

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
sponsored links (only for non-logged)

2,145,528 views & 10,148 likes for this thread, 698 members have posted to it and it is followed by 324 members.
Milkyway nightscapes
FORUMS Photo Sharing & Discussion Astronomy & Celestial 
AAA
x 1600
y 1600

Jump to forum...   •  Rules   •  Forums   •  New posts   •  RTAT   •  'Best of'   •  Gallery   •  Gear   •  Reviews   •  Member list   •  Polls   •  Image rules   •  Search   •  Password reset   •  Home

Not a member yet?
Register to forums
Registered members may log in to forums and access all the features: full search, image upload, follow forums, own gear list and ratings, likes, more forums, private messaging, thread follow, notifications, own gallery, all settings, view hosted photos, own reviews, see more and do more... and all is free. Don't be a stranger - register now and start posting!


COOKIES DISCLAIMER: This website uses cookies to improve your user experience. By using this site, you agree to our use of cookies and to our privacy policy.
Privacy policy and cookie usage info.


POWERED BY AMASS forum software 2.58forum software
version 2.58 /
code and design
by Pekka Saarinen ©
for photography-on-the.net

Latest registered member is Thunderstream
1221 guests, 120 members online
Simultaneous users record so far is 15,144, that happened on Nov 22, 2018

Photography-on-the.net Digital Photography Forums is the website for photographers and all who love great photos, camera and post processing techniques, gear talk, discussion and sharing. Professionals, hobbyists, newbies and those who don't even own a camera -- all are welcome regardless of skill, favourite brand, gear, gender or age. Registering and usage is free.