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Apr 11, 2017 12:59 |  #3616

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Looks VERY good to me!

Thank you!


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Apr 11, 2017 13:16 |  #3617

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I'm still struggling with the MW especially in regards with noise.

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The stark white balance change along the MW band is a little distracting to me. It appears very purple while the surrounding sky is more blue.

What are you using for Noise Reduction?


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Apr 11, 2017 16:58 |  #3618

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Apr 11, 2017 18:54 |  #3619

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The stark white balance change along the MW band is a little distracting to me. It appears very purple while the surrounding sky is more blue.

What are you using for Noise Reduction?

Everything was done in LR6. Just about wore the sliders out. Just need a better process and more practice.


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Apr 11, 2017 22:37 |  #3620

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this answers my question...can the sky be seen enough at these Ruins to warrant a visit...answer is yes...probably not this month, but maybe next month when I am there. Great image.

The sooner the better!!!!


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Apr 12, 2017 00:15 |  #3621

This is one I took the other night on the East Coast of Australia
5 pictures I manually blended together, first time doing this, any tips would be greatly appreciated

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Apr 12, 2017 07:57 |  #3622

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This is one I took the other night on the East Coast of Australia
5 pictures I manually blended together, first time doing this, any tips would be greatly appreciated

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I'm no expert but you might start with longer exposure times.


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Apr 12, 2017 08:09 |  #3623

2cruise wrote in post #18325503 (external link)
Everything was done in LR6. Just about wore the sliders out. Just need a better process and more practice.

2cruise wrote in post #18325503 (external link)
Everything was done in LR6. Just about wore the sliders out. Just need a better process and more practice.

I have found that LR just doesn't have enough capability to really edit the MW. I can do the basic edits in LR, but I really use PS a lot more, particularly for editing the colors of the core, trying to bring those colors out.


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Apr 12, 2017 08:26 |  #3624

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This is one I took the other night on the East Coast of Australia
5 pictures I manually blended together, first time doing this, any tips would be greatly appreciated

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What are your settings? Looks like you need higher ISO and longer exposures. Also it looks like a bright moon is just out of the frame, for best results try and shoot a dark sky on a new moon


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Apr 12, 2017 08:51 as a reply to  @ idsurfer's post |  #3625

Yeah I generally do make it slightly longer exposures, just one of my darker pictures


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Apr 12, 2017 10:30 |  #3626

Desumi wrote in post #18325681 (external link)
This is one I took the other night on the East Coast of Australia
5 pictures I manually blended together, first time doing this, any tips would be greatly appreciated

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That looks like a very tranquil night scene, but I'm not seeing any Milky Way in your image. You'll want to make sure the Milky Way is "up" in the sky. From your general part of the planet, that's probably around midnight or later (this time of year - it'll change as the year progresses). To help identify when and where the Milky Way should be visible you can use some software. I have Sky Safari Pro on my phone and Starry Night Pro Plus on my desktop computer -- but these may be more than you need for planning Milky Way shots... you can get Stellarium for your desktop computer (it's free software) and a very popular app for planning Milky Way shots is called PhotoPills (not free but I don't think it's expensive.) The brightest part of the Milky Way (near the core) is in the direction of the constellation Sagittarius. You can use software to determine when Sagittarius will be above the horizon (and preferably in a direction facing "away" from any sources of light pollution. That means that as it rises near the east, you'd want any cities or towns that might be sources of light pollution to be "west" of you so you're not shooting through light pollution (I'm not familiar with your area so I have no idea how easy or hard it may be to find a nice dark sky location.)

I'm noticing a bright area just out of the edge of frame (top -- slightly left of center). Was the moon out?

Ideally you'd shoot these near the "new moon" so you're guaranteed to have a moonless night. But you can use a 1st quarter or last-quarter moon if the moon isn't out when the Milky Way is up. A 1st quarter moon is up in the evening ... but as long as the moon sets before the Milky Way is rising around midnight then that's still fine. A last-quarter moon rises a hours before dawn... so if you can get your imaging done before moonrise then that's ok too.

The extreme light glare from the moon will brighten the background sky to the point that you'll probably struggle to see any Milky Way with the moon up.




  
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Apr 12, 2017 16:24 |  #3627

TRhoads wrote in post #18325889 (external link)
I have found that LR just doesn't have enough capability to really edit the MW. I can do the basic edits in LR, but I really use PS a lot more, particularly for editing the colors of the core, trying to bring those colors out.

Agreed. I've followed a bunch of tutorials on YouTube but the work flow is pretty long and hard to replicate, for me. I've recently created a "recipe" as it's called in Nik which I'm starting to like more and more.


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Apr 12, 2017 17:15 |  #3628

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Agreed. I've followed a bunch of tutorials on YouTube but the work flow is pretty long and hard to replicate, for me. I've recently created a "recipe" as it's called in Nik which I'm starting to like more and more.

I use NIK Color Efex and Viveza quite a bit on my MW images...control points are great.


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Apr 12, 2017 23:20 as a reply to  @ TCampbell's post |  #3629

Hey, Thanks for all the tips much appreciated

Generally I do shoot on the new moon, or on a quarter either side of it, I took this one on the full moon for pure scenic purposes.
To highlight the area that I grew up in.

The moon was just above the shot, as I wanted the light to be noticeable, but not prominent.

Normally I get the rotation of the earth

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Normally I try to get something like this.

I find the light sensor in the 600D isnt enough to grab the full effect of the Milky Way.

I shall be going back to the same spot on the new moon and grabbing another picture, trying to get some startrails in there this time.

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Apr 13, 2017 01:27 |  #3630

2cruise wrote in post #18325135 (external link)
I'm still struggling with the MW especially in regards with noise.

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Hey, Whisle...
I hope you don't mind, but I thought demonstrating this might be the best way to show you how I've figured out how to deal with bloated stars and noise. I took the liberty of downloaded your image and worked with it a bit to see what I could do, not only about the noise, but also to reduce the bloated stars. Having all the stars at the same apparent brightness is very distracting to me. Reducing the bloated stars makes the Milky Way and nebulae show up a lot better, without being covered with a bunch of oversized stars. I just discovered this tool a couple of weeks ago, and have been going back to some of my old images to see if it improves them. I think it makes a big improvement - and it's really simple.

I used Irfanview to make all the adjustments. Under "Image" is a tool called "Adobe 8BF Plugins" and under that is a plugin called "Harry's Filters", which can be used to reduce the size of stars, and some noise.

Under "Group" select "Noise", and under "FX:" select "Noise Reduction". The slider adjusts the amount of change you want. After reducing the star sizes, I switched to "Effects" under "Image", and selected "Blur" to reduce the noise even more. Then I went back to "Harry's Filters" and reduced the size of the stars a little more, by moving the slider a little more to the left. It takes some experimenting to determine where to set the slider, but after a bit of practice, it's very easy to make a big difference in the way the image looks.

BTW, unlike Photoshop and some of the other programs, Harry's Filters works best with images that have been reduced from full-size - like to post on here.

"Harry's Filters" works with most programs that are used to enhance images of all sorts, and it's free to download. I didn't need to download it - Irfanview apparently comes with it, and Irfanview is free, too.

Before I posted this, I Googled, "Harry's Filters", and found a bunch of links describing it and the programs it will work with.

This is what it looks like after I adjusted it as described above, compared with your original image. Again, I hope you don't mind me altering your image. If you do, just let me know, and I'll remove it.


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