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Would you trade a 28-135 for an 18-135 on a crop body?

 
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Oct 25, 2011 17:21 |  #1

Like the title says, would you?

I have a 28-135 and a 50 1.8 for my XSI. I really miss the 18mm range in some instances, so I was considering trading for the 18-135.

Is the image quality better/worse and is the trade a smart one?

I did some research on here and some say the 18-135 is worse, better, and equal to the 28-135 so I don't really have any firm evidence to pick either way.




  
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Oct 25, 2011 17:46 |  #2

There was a similar thread a few days back. You might be best off finding a used 18-55 IS to cover the wide end. They can be found for ~$90 used and are generally considered to have the slight optical edge over the 18-135. Besides, the 28-135 is one of the better consumer-grade zooms out there, so it might not be worth parting with.


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Oct 25, 2011 18:06 |  #3

There is some over-lap here, but you may consider just buying a Tamron 17-50 f/2.8 Non VC. It's a sharp lens, and is of really good value for what you get.

The focal lenght 17-50 is really good for a APS-C sized sensor.


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Oct 25, 2011 18:24 |  #4

I had a 28-135 for my t1i and I disliked it. It was not sharp past 50mm, it looked funky when you used it above f8. Bleh. I got sharper images out of my kit lens. So I would dump it for the 18-135 for sure


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Oct 25, 2011 18:53 |  #5

They look pretty similar to me... Take a look at this The-Digital-Picture.com comparison. http://www.the-digital-picture.com …omp=0&FLIComp=4​&APIComp=2 (external link)


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Oct 25, 2011 19:12 |  #6

okay, i've been doing some research.

the efs 17-85 seems to get great reviews and is a range that I would be happy with.

does anyone have any experience with this lens?




  
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Oct 25, 2011 20:13 |  #7

The lenses you mention as well as the 18-200 all are in a similar price range ($450-600) and have their pluses and minuses (range, IQ, build quality). I have owned or tried each one and found them reasonable at the time, with my favorite being the 28-135 (reasonable IQ and good range most of the time for me). I did not like the 18-XXX without USM. I also had the 17-85 but did not keep it that long, as I traded it and the 28-135 for a 15-85, which is definitely a keeper. At the end of the day, more money buys more happiness so if you can afford, I would consider the 15-85 for the range, IQ, and the build quality vs one of the 17-XX f/2.8, if you want f/2.8 with a shorter range.

If you're on a budget, I personally would go with LStotch and keep the 28-135 and get the 18-55IS. The distortion on the 17-85 made me dizzy.


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Oct 25, 2011 21:02 |  #8

If max aperture was not a key characteristic for me (it is) I'd go for the Canon 15-85mm IS lens for a general purpose snapshot lens, and maybe complement it with a 50-250mm or 70-200mm!


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Oct 25, 2011 21:20 |  #9

okay, sounds like the 28-135 is the better of the two.

i'm willing to downgrade the zoom range to somewhere around 17-80ish if there is a good lens around the same price as a 28-135.

i'd like to stay away from the efs 17-85 due to the broken ribbon horror stories that seem to be fairly common.

any other suggestions? i could also always add some cash to the 28-135 trade/sale!

i'm not looking for L glass either, just dont use my camera enough to spend that money unfortunatley




  
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Oct 25, 2011 21:29 |  #10

da9k1ne wrote in post #13306942 (external link)
okay, sounds like the 28-135 is the better of the two.

i'm willing to downgrade the zoom range to somewhere around 17-80ish if there is a good lens around the same price as a 28-135.

i'd like to stay away from the efs 17-85 due to the broken ribbon horror stories that seem to be fairly common.

any other suggestions? i could also always add some cash to the 28-135 trade/sale!

i'm not looking for L glass either, just dont use my camera enough to spend that money unfortunatley

i've had the 17-85 and 18-135. i had 2 x 17-85, one of them was given to me w/ the broken ribbon, so i got it repaired by canon (for a price..). technically its better that it's fixed w/ a new ribbon so its just as good as new! haha :P

17-85 has usm, 18-135 didn't. i was quite satisfied w/ the 18-135, but i got that 'upgrade' itch :P. went to a tammy 17-50 f2.8, but eventually settled w/ the 15-85mm (going from 18mm->15mm is a HUGE difference). i would consider a 17-55mm f2.8 IS, but its too much.. maybe the siggy 17-50 f2.8 OS, but pretty happy w/ the 15-85 :)


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Oct 25, 2011 21:48 |  #11

ya, the 15-85 looks to be exactly what i want...except its out of my price range! haha figures!




  
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Oct 25, 2011 23:34 as a reply to  @ da9k1ne's post |  #12

No. The trade wouldn't be an even trade anyhow so you would need to put in $100 or so to get the 18-135 and you would loose USM. Get a 18-55IS for the wide with that $100 on the used market. Or add a 17-50/2.8 non VC for $350ish used.

A third option is to the sell 28-135 and put another $200 into a Sigma 17-70/2.8-4.0 and get most of the 15-85 for 2/3rd the price.


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Oct 25, 2011 23:44 |  #13

I've used both the 28-135 and 18-135 on crop cameras quite a lot. At least with my pair of lenses the 18-135 seems to have slightly better optics but both are plenty good for most purposes. I use DxO Optics Pro for processing so the aberrations are mostly corrected in either case. I think that the 28-135 is a nicer looking lens and the fast ring USM is a nice feature on the 28-135.

Since 28mm is a normal lens on a 1.6 crop camera, the 18-135mm is certainly more versatile and it uses less expensive 67mm filters.


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Oct 26, 2011 02:44 |  #14

macroimage wrote in post #13307595 (external link)
At least with my pair of lenses the 18-135 seems to have slightly better optics .....

Since 28mm is a normal lens on a 1.6 crop camera, the 18-135mm is certainly more versatile and it uses less expensive 67mm filters.

Surprised to hear that you think the 18-135 has better optics - I don't doubt you, just seems strange since in general the less the multiple of the long end to the short end of a zoom is better. But maybe with today's more advanced computer designs, they did get better optics - the 28-135 USM has been around for quite a while (I think - not positive - that it was the first lens with IS) ?

Certainly as far as build quality, the 28-135 would seem at least a step up if for no other reason than the USM (true USM). Also for some (including me), having an EF mount is a plus over an EF-S mount (I know - there are some very good EF-S lenses - just a personal thing with not a lot of strong logic).

For me, not having full time manual focus is a deal-breaker. Again, a personal thing. I had one lens without a USM motor or full time manual and even though I was impressed with it's performance, and it's price - I sold it after a week or two -One of the issues along with it's flimsy build was that I couldn't help but feel that I'd ruin it by interfering with the focus ring when in auto-focus mode - Even putting the lens hood on made me wince.

I would think that the 18-135 might have a better IS system just because it's newer. Purely a guess.

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Oct 26, 2011 03:49 |  #15

Delija wrote in post #13308130 (external link)
Surprised to hear that you think the 18-135 has better optics - I don't doubt you, just seems strange since in general the less the multiple of the long end to the short end of a zoom is better. But maybe with today's more advanced computer designs, they did get better optics - the 28-135 USM has been around for quite a while (I think - not positive - that it was the first lens with IS) ?

It appears that the 28-135mm was Canon's third IS lens at Feb 1998. The first IS lens was the Canon EF 75-300mm in Sept 1995, and the second was the EF 300mm f/4 L IS USM in March 1997.

The generalization about the zoom ratio has so many exceptions that I don't think it applies anymore, if it ever did. For example, the EF-S 17-85 at 5x isn't nearly as good as the EF-S 15-85mm at 5.7x. My Sigma EX 50-500 is much better than Canon's EF 55-200mm f/4.5-5.6 which isn't even 4x etc. The EF 28-80mm f/3.5-5.6 II is a dreadful lens but only 2.85x.

Delija wrote in post #13308130 (external link)
Certainly as far as build quality, the 28-135 would seem at least a step up if for no other reason than the USM (true USM).

I would think that the 18-135 might have a better IS system just because it's newer. Purely a guess.

The ring USM of the 28-135 is much nicer than the focus on the 18-135 for sure. The 28-135 is a nicer lens overall.

The 18-135 image stabilization is much more effecting than the 28-135. The 28-135 isn't useful for exposures beyond about 1/10 - 1/8s where the drift in the IS system starts to blur the picture. It doesn't have tripod sensing either and the image will move in an ellipse over a period of time for long exposures if you don't turn IS off. The 18-135 doesn't have these problems and is useful for hand-holding to about 4 stops vs the 2 stops of the 28-135.

Testing both lenses at 135mm f/5.6 with IS off on a sturdy tripod shows the 18-135 as being better optically, at least for my samples, but I can't complain about the optics of either. Both work well enough for any pictures that I have ever needed. Choose the lens based on your personal preferences and what you would enjoy. There is not right or wrong answer for lenses if you are happy with them. Photography is all about trade-offs.


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