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is this good to start with for portraits?

 
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Oct 28, 2011 13:42 |  #1

ok so i do all this fun stuff for my kids.. soccer and hockey...

anywho...

i do at one point want to get a back drop and take pics of my kids...

see sig for equipment...

so i would like a setup for studio lights...

i cant find the post i bookmarked.. it was a great budget setup for lighting...

well i have $63 in amazon gift card....
do you think this is garbage?
http://www.amazon.com …F8&qid=13198270​59&sr=8-19 (external link)

or this
http://www.amazon.com …BYQPTU/ref=pd_s​im_sbs_e_2 (external link)

or
http://www.amazon.com …HZ2SI/ref=pd_si​m_sbs_e_10 (external link)

if so what can you recommend for me to start with from amazon?

im going to go this weekend and get a backgdrop... grey? white? blue? gonna get a green screen cuz i want to do a few things with the kids... :p


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Oct 28, 2011 15:58 |  #2

no one? i know it is a common talked thing... i know.... just looking to order soon... and do a pvc backdrop holder.. thanks


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Oct 28, 2011 16:14 |  #3

I would stay away from the third option which is continuous CFL bulbs. You'll be better off with option 2 and pickup another flash unit.

The other thing to figure out is how to trigger the flashes. There are many options. My recommendation would be the Cybersync system from Paul C. Buff - One CST transmitter and two CSRB receivers. You may also need hotshoe adapters to connect the receivers to your flash units.


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Oct 28, 2011 16:25 |  #4

Curtis N wrote in post #13321857 (external link)
I would stay away from the third option which is continuous CFL bulbs. You'll be better off with option 2 and pickup another flash unit.

The other thing to figure out is how to trigger the flashes. There are many options. My recommendation would be the Cybersync system from Paul C. Buff - One CST transmitter and two CSRB receivers. You may also need hotshoe adapters to connect the receivers to your flash units.

thank you...
Well i have yn rf-603's... 2 of them.. so i would need 1 more (would buy 2)... and 1 more flash then... so they would trigger off of that.. im guessing...


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Oct 28, 2011 23:13 as a reply to  @ TeleFragger's post |  #5

I have several Cowboy studio goodies that I'm pleased with. I would go with those if i were buying the cheap stuff from Amazon.

I also have the RF 603s that work well.

But if you get a budget background stand get this one:
http://www.amazon.com/​gp/product/B001AO0LLI (external link)

The cowboy studio is decent for the price but this isn't much more at all and is a superior product.


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Jan 27, 2012 08:32 |  #6

im back at this again.. i ended up needing to buy computer parts with my gift card from amazon.. anyway..
i now have 93 auctions on ebay selling warhammer empire figures... and im getting cash ... i already have a good amount.. so definitely going to get a lighting setup...
im also going to try and get a new lens too so still looking for a cheaper lighting solution...

i see you guys say stay away from CFL lighting.. is it because it is constant lighting and flash (strobe?) would be better?
my new budget is about $150-$165...

now i know this is cfl.. but i was looking at this one now..
http://www.ebay.com …7189460652#ht_1​768wt_1185 (external link)

what do you loose by using non strobed light? just looking at why the strobed is better..

ill just buy individual pieces if i need too..

other than that option up there.. i could..
get that backdrop holder
2-3 flash stands
2-3 cheap yn flashes good for manual flash
more rf-603 remote triggers....
what do you think ???

i really do appreciate your opinions... im not looking at doing anything fancy.. my kids want me to drop them into some backgrounds so i want to do a green screen...


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Jan 27, 2012 10:22 |  #7

TeleFragger wrote in post #13777492 (external link)
i see you guys say stay away from CFL lighting.. is it because it is constant lighting and flash (strobe?) would be better?
my new budget is about $150-$165...

now i know this is cfl.. but i was looking at this one now..
http://www.ebay.com …7189460652#ht_1​768wt_1185 (external link)

what do you loose by using non strobed light? just looking at why the strobed is better..

Before the invention of electronic flash, photographers used "hot lights" which were tungsten bulbs that burned hotter than household bulbs, produced a higher color temperature (but still much lower than daylight) and didn't last very long. They also produced a tremendous (sometimes dangerous) amount of heat and consumed a lot of power.

When electronic flash came along, it was a godsend. It produces a color temperature resembling daylight, and gives you a very large amount of light in a very short period of time. It allowed photographers to use slower film (higher resolution, less grain) and smaller apertures. Its motion-stopping ability allowed photographers to get away from tripods and move around more efficiently, and also allowed the subject to move around without fear of creating blurry pictures. For these reasons, strobes were the standard for studio portraiture for many decades.

Now with the high ISO capabilities and adjustable white balance of digital cameras, and the advent of compact fluorescent bulbs, some photographers are taking another look at continuous lighting.

I have seen video demonstrations of the Westcott Spiderlites and certainly there are professionals using them. The demonstrations I saw always had a very cooperative and relatively motionless subject (not a fidgety toddler), and a tripod or camera stand was always employed. These lights are still quite weak compared to strobes, and you need to make compromises to get correct exposure.

There have been improvements in CFL technology but I have yet to be convinced that they can produce good color rendition across the entire visible spectrum. Typically, reds will look dull because CFLs lack output in that area of the spectrum. You can always adjust your white balance to make grey look grey, but that doesn't mean all colors will look right.

Before you purchase lights, think about versatility beyond a simple one-person headshot in a studio setting. Here's some stuff you won't be doing with CFLs.

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Jan 27, 2012 10:37 |  #8

If a single strobe would satisfy you for a while, consider saving for a bit longer and picking up an AB400. As I type this they are $225 new. Yes, you'll have to pick up a light stand (~$30), a modifier (~$30 for an umbrella box), and triggers or a sync cable. However, this is potentially a situation where you'll be much better off doing it "correctly" from the beginning (i.e., if there's a good chance this is where you'll end up anyway, it will be cheaper to do it first and skip the hot lights). Just my two cents.




  
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Jan 27, 2012 10:40 |  #9

Curtis is right.
The problem with the first two kits is the small umbrellas. At the very least you should be able to get close to that same budget and get umbrellas in the 40-42 inch range.




  
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