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Nov 03, 2011 14:11 |  #1

I just made a switch to FF recently and I have always loved my 11-16 on my 50D.
the lens works pretty well at 16mm on FF (even wider than 11mm on crop), and i do not mind using it as a prime for landscape shots.
I'm new to ND filters and when I applied the hoya nd400 on, it creates a significant amount of vignetting. I wonder if the vignette is as strong if the nd is applied on a 17-40. any ff users have experience switching from 11-16 to 17-40? and what about the difference for corner sharpness between the 2? because f/9 is what i need to set on the tokina to have the corners look acceptable
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Nov 03, 2011 15:58 |  #2

well im pretty sure the 11-16 is meant for crop cameras which explains the vignetting and im not sure how you can use a zoom lens as a prime unless you mean always shooting at one focal length it would still be a zoom lens anyway lol. if it gets no use you can sell/trade it for something that fits your needs better such as the 17-40 you mentioned or a actual wide prime instead of a wide zoom since you mentioned having a prime, although really wide primes are expensive and you might be better off staying with the 17-40 if you are shooting with your FF a lot




  
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Nov 03, 2011 16:08 |  #3

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well im pretty sure the 11-16 is meant for crop cameras which explains the vignetting and im not sure how you can use a zoom lens as a prime unless you mean always shooting at one focal length it would still be a zoom lens anyway lol. if it gets no use you can sell/trade it for something that fits your needs better such as the 17-40 you mentioned or a actual wide prime instead of a wide zoom since you mentioned having a prime, although really wide primes are expensive and you might be better off staying with the 17-40 if you are shooting with your FF a lot

The Tokina 11-16mm can be used as a 16mm f2.8 on the 5D2. Sure it is still a zoom, obviously what was meant was that this could replace the purchase of an actual 16mm prime. That lens is substantially more useful on an APS-H body though, from 12mm through 16mm.

I agree though, it would be more practical to get a wide angle lens that works in more situations, like the 17-40L, or for a little less, the Sigma 12-24.


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Nov 03, 2011 16:15 |  #4

I've done both. The 11-16 appears to not have issues at 16mm on FF, but look at your corners at 100% in LR and you'll see they're very soft even if you've stopped down. The 10-20 actually does better on FF if you use the 1.4 TC with it and it can take filters in that configuration. Both the 16-35 and 17-40 can take CPs and GNDs and stacks of both (I often use a CP and two NDs on my 17-40 at 17) w/o any issues.

the 11-16 can produce some great images on FF, don't get me wrong, just don't think you're going to landscape with it stopped down and get 16mm prime type results (a claim I've heard). If you want really wide on FF get the rokinon 14mm or the siggy 12-24.


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Nov 03, 2011 19:41 |  #5

I used it @16mm on 5d2 and 1ds2. No issues. Thinking of upgrading to prime ultra wide or a 16-35 2.8 or more.


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Nov 03, 2011 20:33 |  #6

I actually used a friend's Tokina 11-16 on my 5D2 over the weekend... it works surprisingly well at 16mm :D

In case anybody was wondering what it would look like... here's the full image on at 16mm, f/9.0 on the 5D2. No PP AT ALL, straight out of the camera convert to jpeg. No filters either.


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Nov 03, 2011 20:34 |  #7

And a crop of the center and corner of the same image


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Nov 03, 2011 20:58 |  #8

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Dec 02, 2011 20:23 |  #9

is the tokina 11-16mm at 16mm on FF as wide as the 16-35 at 16mm on FF?


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Dec 02, 2011 20:26 |  #10

mike cabilangan wrote in post #13487025 (external link)
is the tokina 11-16mm at 16mm on FF as wide as the 16-35 at 16mm on FF?

Finally a legitimate use of the 'crop factor':

11*1.6 = 17.6mm; therefore 'No'


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Dec 02, 2011 20:45 |  #11

if they are both a true 16mm then they are the same


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Dec 02, 2011 20:47 |  #12

mike cabilangan wrote in post #13487025 (external link)
is the tokina 11-16mm at 16mm on FF as wide as the 16-35 at 16mm on FF?

16mm on either lens on a FF is 16mm, so yes, they should yield the same field of view, with any differences just being differences from the manufacturers.


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Dec 02, 2011 21:28 |  #13

TeamSpeed wrote in post #13487110 (external link)
16mm on either lens on a FF is 16mm, so yes, they should yield the same field of view, with any differences just being differences from the manufacturers.

Jay T wrote in post #13487103 (external link)
if they are both a true 16mm then they are the same

i was thinking this, but was hoping for actual experiences. i have a similar question wherein i use my tokina 10-17 fisheye at 15mm on FF, and i was wondering if the real 15mm FE had the same "view"

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Finally a legitimate use of the 'crop factor':

11*1.6 = 17.6mm; therefore 'No'

i was under the impression that these 3rd party lenses based their crop on nikon which is 1.5 crop. so 11mm x 1.5 would actually be 16.5mm.

BUT, i wasn't comparing the 11-16 on crop vs 16-35 on FF ... i was thinking BOTH on FF set to 16mm.


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Dec 02, 2011 21:37 |  #14

mike cabilangan wrote in post #13487222 (external link)
BUT, i wasn't comparing the 11-16 on crop vs 16-35 on FF ... i was thinking BOTH on FF set to 16mm.

Yeah, I misread what you were asking.

However, if one was to ask "Is 11mm on Canon APS-C the same AOV as 16mm on Canon FF?", you always use the 1.6 crop factor, not 1.5. You would use the 1.5 crop factor only when comparing the Nikon DX format to the Nikon FX camera.


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Dec 02, 2011 23:52 |  #15

Whatever is marked as the focal length is it, no matter what format the lens was designed for. So again, the Tokina at 16mm is the same as the 16-35L at 16mm on a FF, etc.


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