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Nov 05, 2011 16:29 |  #1

For some reason when i try to reopen my images in PS to do some more editing or correct something it looks like i took the saturation tool and turned it up all the way, especially on the red.... and it will not let me correct this... if i try to bring the saturation down it just turns the extreme color spots all the way to no color and I can not work on any of my images.... someone please help.

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Nov 05, 2011 16:44 |  #2

Hmm, it's hard to say!

Could you post a Before and After shot that shows the difference?

Or, does the problem only show up in Photoshop? What happens if you Save As, an image copy -- does the problem also show up if you open it in another image viewer?

If it only shows up in Photoshop, then do a Screen shot of the Photoshop view and post it as your After! We need to see what you are talking about!!


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Nov 05, 2011 16:52 |  #3

yes it only happens in PS but makes it very difficult to work at all heres my screen shot:


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when i open it after saving it in PS
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Nov 05, 2011 16:57 |  #4

Is one of those "before" and one "after"? To really see the difference, try cutting out just the images and posting those at a large size (POTN limit is 1024 pixels at the "widest" dimension), clearly labeling which one is before and which is after, and explaining exactly what difference you are seeing. And, explain what if anything you did to the "before" pic before it came out looking different!

BTW, I'm not a Mac user and also I rarely work in Photoshop these days so I'll be of limited help, but at least I can keep you company until folks that can help more show up:)!


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Nov 05, 2011 16:59 |  #5

it might just be my computer if you can't see it :/ the first one is before and the second one clearly looks different to me, the red are extremely saturated and come off of her face and body like a mist of red around her, the red have also taken out detail in her face. thanks though!


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Nov 05, 2011 17:21 |  #6

I see the difference on the larger. Just curious as to why you're saving as png?

Just noticed the file names - check your color space as the png doesn't have one assigned.


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Nov 05, 2011 17:24 |  #7

i was always told that if you're just saving for the web to save as PNG is that wrong? if so how should i be saving?


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Nov 05, 2011 17:40 |  #8

Jpeg is more of a standard format.


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Nov 05, 2011 17:47 |  #9

iv tried jpeg before but my colors always seemed to look washed out once i posted them online, I've never had a problem with colors using PNG


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Nov 05, 2011 18:50 |  #10

Hmm...having "dull' jpegs typically means that they are in the aRGB color space. That can either come from a camera shooting jpegs in the aRGB color space or, if you shoot Raw, the Raw processor converts to a color space it is set to. You can change this in Lightroom, Adobe Camera Raw, Digital Photo Professional (DPP) or whatever software you use.

So, at this point, please fill in some details! First, were these taken as jpegs, or did you shoot Raw?

And then, please walk through each thing you've done with the images from the camera into Photoshop -- some little detail can be the "missing link"!

And, check in your camera menu for the Color Space setting. Make sure it is sRGB for the "safest" setting.


Then, in Photoshop, take a suspect jpeg and go to Edit/Color Settings. In that dialog, you will see what Photoshop is using as your "Working Color Space". To make images "safe" for the Web, you can change that to sRGB unless you have reason to use another color space.

Check the "Warning" options in the dialog. You will need to decide how to handle images that aren't in the sRGB color space -- warn you but open them anyway, warn and convert them, etc.

Then when you are done with that dialog, close it and then open the Edit/Convert to Profile dialog.

Here, you will see what color space the image is in, and you will have the ability to Convert it to a proper profile (for Web use, sRGB). You should do this routinely with any images that are not already in sRGB for whatever reason. Or, in newer versions of Photoshop, the Save for Web dialog gives you the option of an automatic conversion.

I don't know anything about the PNG file format, so can't give any direct help there. But I am happy with the output from Photoshop, and haven't seen Photoshop doing a "saturation number" like you are describing.

So, there is another possible issue here, and that is the possibility that your monitor profile, which Photoshop uses, is having issues. If you have calibrated your monitor, you might want to do that again. If you haven't, well, you may want to investigate by playing a bit with your built-in profiles. But, since I don't use a Mac, I can't go beyond that!

Then, with the image open,


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Nov 05, 2011 19:08 |  #11

PNG sucks. 'Nuff said. ;)




  
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Nov 05, 2011 19:09 |  #12

kellen85040 wrote in post #13358456 (external link)
i was always told that if you're just saving for the web to save as PNG is that wrong? if so how should i be saving?

I don't know about "wrong" nor do I know a whole lot about the png format. It's my understanding it is best for graphics and if you need transparency. There are 2 flavors - png8 and png24 which the png24 should be more suited for images. I stick with jpeg. I think your problem may be that your png does not have a color space embedded.


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Nov 05, 2011 19:21 |  #13

PNG format does not support an embedded color profile nor even Exif so there is not even a color space tag. If it was converted to PNG from an sRGB it would still be in that space although it would not carry identification. In non-color managed applications on a narrow gamut monitor it would display o.k., but a color managed program (like PS) might have problems with it, depending how the program is set up to react to images whose color space is unknown. The most common setup is to assume sRGB, but let's consider a scenario in which the source of the PNG is an Adobe RGB image or, even worse, a ProPhoto RGB image - the PNG would be in the original space but PS would assume sRGB. The result, display misery.


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Nov 06, 2011 05:59 |  #14

thanks for the help guys, yes i always shoot raw and yes i use sRGB, I haven't done the working color space thing, just always "saved for web and devices" I will try everything out, yes i use png24, So is this happening to my colors because of saving as PNG? I will definitely start saving again in JPEG :)


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Nov 06, 2011 06:07 |  #15

The png does not have an embedded color profile. PS tells you so:

IMAGE: http://img.skitch.com/20080623-gewsfxk3p25a9hpas2nnn16a1u.medium.jpg

The fact that you did not get a pop up, warning you about this, also means that your PS color settings are less then optimal:

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