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EF 100mm Macro. Can you use it for sports?

 
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Nov 13, 2011 22:54 |  #1

I was just wondering. I have a Canon EF 100mm f/2.8 USM macro lens. I don't have any other prime lenses about this focal length. Can this be used for sports? Are there any disadvantages? Thanks, Hank




  
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Nov 13, 2011 23:07 |  #2

You can but I think this lens is somewhat less sharp at infinity and non-macro distances. I attempted to play with this lens a few times at races instead of my 70-200L and just wasn't as happy with the results. The AF is quick but perhaps not "sports" action quick. I restrict this lens for macro and portrait type work over sports use.


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Nov 13, 2011 23:11 |  #3
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Of course you can :) But it's not ideal.

AF is slower for macro lens due to its nature. Also f2.8 might not be fast enough.

Have a look into 70-200mkII for flexibility or 135f2 for speed.


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Nov 13, 2011 23:17 as a reply to  @ kin2son's post |  #4

the AF is really fast, you just have to use the FOCUS RANGE LIMITER!!!!


and the 135L isn't the end all of end alls.


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Nov 13, 2011 23:22 |  #5
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pyrojim wrote in post #13396126 (external link)
the AF is really fast, you just have to use the FOCUS RANGE LIMITER!!!!


and the 135L isn't the end all of end alls.

'Really fast' is subjective. Are you telling me the 100 macro can match the AF speed of the 135L??

I have both 100L macro and 135L, the AF speed on the macro might not be fast enough for action sports. That's all i am saying.


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Nov 13, 2011 23:25 |  #6

kin2son wrote in post #13396135 (external link)
'Really fast' is subjective. Are you telling me the 100 macro can match the AF speed of the 135L??

I have both 100L macro and 135L, the AF speed on the macro might not be fast enough for action sports. That's all i am saying.




I only specified really fast, I have not used a 135L, I know that the 70-200 IS2 is awfully quick.

I would think that the focus range limiter would do the trick.


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pyrojim wrote in post #13396143 (external link)
I would think that the focus range limiter would do the trick.

The focus range limiter definitely helps. Not too sure about fast action sports that's all.

I only use my 100L for macro shots and portrait.


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Nov 13, 2011 23:38 |  #8

Optically a superb lens but for sports very little chance of anything but frustration.


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Nov 14, 2011 05:55 |  #9

Depends on the type of sports. I have used it for shooting gymnastics - beam shots




  
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Nov 14, 2011 08:50 |  #10

Depends upon the sporting event being photographed... If it's something that's not too fast moving or that you can pre-focus on a spot and wait for the subject to come to that point and then snap the photo when the subject arrives, that would be fine.

Otherwise, the macro will likely lag a little bit. 85/1.8, 100/2, 135/2 or any of the 70-200 zooms would be quicker acquiring focus and better maintaining it on moving subjects.

Focus is slower with any macro lens. Though actually the 100 USM and 100L are among the best for focus speed... thanks in part to USM, in part to their focus limiter, and partially due to their Internal Focus design.

It's just that macro lenses are designed with "long throw focus"m with the emphasis on precision rather than speed, and they have to move focusing elements a long way to cover the range all the way from infinity to 1:1.

There should be no problem with the lens' sharpness and overall image quality out at infinity. The image below is a bit abstract, but it's the sun reflecting off the corner of a building, taken at a distance somewhere near infinity I'm sure....

IMAGE: http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2160/2328347260_2208095199.jpg
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EF 100/2.8 USM macro lens at f2.8. EOS 30D camera at ISO 100 and 1/6400 shutter speed. Handheld, ambient light.

Here are more semi-abstract, architectural shots taken with the lens the same day, all from middle distances out near or to near infinity...

IMAGE: http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2187/2328353644_8c3c77793d.jpg
Flowering plum tree (downtown San Jose, Calif.)
EF 100/2.8 USM macro lens at f8. EOS 30D camera at ISO 100 and 1/400 shutter speed. Handheld, ambient light.


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EF 100/2.8 USM macro lens at f2.8. EOS 30D camera at ISO 100 and 1/250 shutter speed. Handheld, ambient light.

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EF 100/2.8 USM macro lens at f7.1. EOS 30D camera at ISO 100 and 1/400 shutter speed. Handheld, ambient light.

I looked quickly for any action shots taken with my 100/2.8 USM macro.... This is the most "active" I could find:

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EF 100/2.8 USM macro lens at f2.8. EOS 30D camera at ISO 100, 1/2500 shutter speed. Handheld, ambient light.

Out of four shots of airplanes passing relatively closely overhead (at landings speeds.... maybe 150 mph?) taken with the 100/2.8... one focused unacceptibly, the other three are fine.

None of the above are sports shots, I'm mainly posting them to dispel any concerns about using the lens out at middle distances or near infinity... It's IQ is just fine.

The reason I can't show any sports shots taken with it is that I just don't use the lens for sports, primarily because of focus speed.... I usually use 70-200/2.8 IS or 85/1.8 or 135/2. Recently I shot most of an outdoor, daytime event with 28-135 IS that's usually serves as a backup/loaner lens... It's faster focusing than the 100/2.8 USM, too, and had no problem keeping up with the moderately fast action.

Could I use the 100/2.8 USM for sports? Sure, it would be consideraby easier than shooting sports with manual focus lenses, back in the good/bad old days of film! I wouldn't expect as high a percentage of keepers as I can get with faster focusing lenses. But, again, it also depends on the camera, technique, the particular type or types of sports, and the angle at which the movement is being shot. Tricks such as pre-focusing could be used if tracking speeds weren't fast enough. Maybe use back-button focusing in AI-Servo to maintain track on the subject, so that the lens doesn't need to move it's focusing elements very far. And, depending upon what camera you are using, restricting to just the center AF point might help, too... . Just don't expect "instantaneous" focus, that some of the other non-macro lenses can come close to achieving.

Hope this helps!

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Nov 14, 2011 10:08 |  #11

I am going to a dog show next weekend. I am going to bring my 70-200 but I think I will pack my 100 2.8L just to prove it works fine.


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Nov 14, 2011 10:15 |  #12
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Hank E wrote in post #13396060 (external link)
I was just wondering. I have a Canon EF 100mm f/2.8 USM macro lens. I don't have any other prime lenses about this focal length. Can this be used for sports? Are there any disadvantages? Thanks, Hank

I've used mine for volleyball and basketball indoors with superb results. I do use the focus limiter switch.

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Nov 14, 2011 10:17 |  #13

Since you already own the lens, why not just give it a go? Set the focus limiter for non-macro, camera in AI-Servo and have fun.

I suspect it will do very well.


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Nov 14, 2011 10:18 |  #14

kin2son wrote in post #13396229 (external link)
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Nov 14, 2011 10:21 |  #15

Yes, you can use it for sports. I suppose it depends on the sport.




  
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