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Dec 22, 2011 07:27 |  #3106

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Dec 22, 2011 08:26 |  #3107

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This feature needs to be turned on, though, to see those areas (if they exits).

Yep. And in ACR, the clipping warning is based on the output color space used. In LR, it's based on MelissaRGB (so about useless if you're editing for web).


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Dec 22, 2011 08:35 |  #3108

Csae wrote in post #13582139 (external link)
Leo, how did you get the images to highlight red for overexposure like that ?

PacAce wrote in post #13583782 (external link)
Adobe's ACR and Canon's DPP have a feature that allows you to see blown and black shadow areas using a particular color to highlight those areas. This feature needs to be turned on, though, to see those areas (if they exits).

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Yep. And in ACR, the clipping warning is based on the output color space used. In LR, it's based on MelissaRGB (so about useless if you're editing for web).

that must explain why we see so many blown out images on the forum :lol:


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Dec 22, 2011 08:46 |  #3109

So you just printscrn it or what? Cause thats what i'm wondering about...

I was aware of how to make certain parts show clipping throughout the various programs, i am just not aware of any easy way to capture the image in that manner without printscrn'in and pasting it...


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Dec 22, 2011 08:48 as a reply to  @ Csae's post |  #3110

You do screen shots and then edit for size or aspect ratio as needed.


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Dec 22, 2011 08:57 |  #3111

Command-Shift-4 on a mac... lets you drag a box around an area on your screen to capture and then you can paste it into PS.


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Dec 22, 2011 09:01 |  #3112

Csae wrote in post #13584132 (external link)
So you just printscrn it or what? Cause thats what i'm wondering about...

I was aware of how to make certain parts show clipping throughout the various programs, i am just not aware of any easy way to capture the image in that manner without printscrn'in and pasting it...

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Command-Shift-4 on a mac... lets you drag a box around an area on your screen to capture and then you can paste it into PS.

Yes, Command-Shift-4 for me also (on the Mac) except that I get a file that's saved to the Desktop which I then open and edit in PS.


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Dec 22, 2011 09:04 as a reply to  @ PacAce's post |  #3113

I do it differently, actually.

If you do Cmd-Shift-Cntrl-4 you copy it to the clipboard rather than saving the screen shot and then I just go to Photoshop > New > OK (to confirm dimensions and open) > Paste.

Then you just trim or composite as needed and save that file. No need for a saved screen shot since the next thing I always do is edit the screen shot.


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Dec 22, 2011 09:11 |  #3114

TMR Design wrote in post #13584210 (external link)
I do it differently, actually.

If you do Cmd-Shift-Cntrl-4 you copy it to the clipboard rather than saving the screen shot and then I just go to Photoshop > New > OK (to confirm dimensions and open) > Paste.

Then you just trim or composite as needed and save that file. No need for a saved screen shot since the next thing I always do is edit the screen shot.

That's how the Print Screen works on the PC also but I don't like working with the clipboard because that means I'll need to paste the image on the clipboard someplace before I can do any more print screens. It's a lot easier for me to work just grabbing screen shots one after the other and then working with the files in PS when I'm done grabbing all the screen shots I need. And less steps involved in the whole process also (no need for New and Paste functions).


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Dec 22, 2011 09:11 |  #3115

PacAce wrote in post #13584197 (external link)
Yes, Command-Shift-4 for me also (on the Mac) except that I get a file that's saved to the Desktop which I then open and edit in PS.

TMR Design wrote in post #13584210 (external link)
I do it differently, actually.

If you do Cmd-Shift-Cntrl-4 you copy it to the clipboard rather than saving the screen shot and then I just go to Photoshop > New > OK (to confirm dimensions and open) > Paste.

Then you just trim or composite as needed and save that file. No need for a saved screen shot since the next thing I always do is edit the screen shot.

This is correct, my bad. Forgot about Ctrl.


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Dec 22, 2011 09:27 |  #3116

PacAce wrote in post #13584233 (external link)
That's how the Print Screen works on the PC also but I don't like working with the clipboard because that means I'll need to paste the image on the clipboard someplace before I can do any more print screens. It's a lot easier for me to work just grabbing screen shots one after the other and then working with the files in PS when I'm done grabbing all the screen shots I need. And less steps involved in the whole process also (no need for New and Paste functions).

You need to get those keyboard shortcuts working for you, Leo. I never feel that I'm being slowed down by having to go to PS and paste before capturing more screen shots.. ;)

Isn't preference a wonderful thing? :cool:


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Dec 22, 2011 09:35 |  #3117

TMR Design wrote in post #13584329 (external link)
You need to get those keyboard shortcuts working for you, Leo. I never feel that I'm being slowed down by having to go to PS and paste before capturing more screen shots.. ;)

Isn't preference a wonderful thing? :cool:

Yes, I do use hotkeys and shortcuts because I'm all for efficiency, not just in working the keyboard but also in working the whole workflow process. And also agree that preference is a wonderful thing. :D


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Dec 22, 2011 09:44 |  #3118

Like how Nikon users prefer to use inferior cameras?

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Dec 22, 2011 09:59 |  #3119

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Like how Nikon users prefer to use inferior cameras?

*ducks*

Not that's just uncalled for, Aaron. ;)


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Dec 22, 2011 10:15 as a reply to  @ TMR Design's post |  #3120

Sorry it took me so long to get this together but I took the evening off for a little birthday celebration AWAY from the computer. ;)

I did some tests to compare Elinchrom deflectors when used in the 135 degree wide angle reflector.

The wide angle reflectors are great for lighting large backgrounds and adding the deflector helps even things out between the hot spot and surrounding area.

My setup for the comparison was as follows:

Elinchrom 600RX centered and placed 4 feet in front of the seamless. I'm using a middle gray background and metering for the center, then adjusting exposure for 2 stops under so that gradation and contrast is revealed.


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9.5" Wide Angle Reflector

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Adding the mini silver deflector gives you this..
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Coverage is now magnified considerably. Yes, center is actually slightly darker than the surrounding area and yes, there are what appear to be rings with slight gradations. Those differences are very slight and once you bring the hot spot up to the level for pure white, all of the other darker rings also come up in exposure and the effect disappears. This is not what you want to be doing for much other than lighting a large white background and rendering it as pure white.

I also wanted to demonstrate how deflector placement is somewhat critical and some adjustment is necessary to find those sweet spots. I generally line up the flange of the deflector with the outer lip of the wide angle reflector. You can go closer with only minor and negligible changes but having the deflector further forward and several inches from the reflector will decrease the size and exposure of the center hot spot, as shown below.

Deflector placed 2 inches in front of reflector.
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Next we have the maxi silver deflector. It's broadened and evened out the center and those first few rings but then drops in exposure considerably to form another ring dark ring.

Maxi Silver Deflector
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Moving the deflector in evens things out a bit more but has significantly reduced coverage.

Maxi Silver Deflector pushed in.
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And again, too far forward is not at all a good thing.
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This is the White Translucent deflector used as intended and pushed in to the 'stop' on the rod. Coverage and exposure looks like a cross between the mini and maxi silver deflector but as exposure is increased it becomes obvious that the light is not extending out to the sides nearly as much, and you'll see that in the pure white shots that show highlight clipping.

White Deflector
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