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Sep 19, 2014 15:08 |  #9601

Regarding the new Lightmotiv Series from Elinchrom,
I just came from Photokina (Cologne) and I have seen a prototype of the new 190cm Lightmotiv direct softbox. It has a new massive bracket on the back, 16 rods, inner diffuser and outter scrim. The guy at the booth told me that they use a new kind of material, which outputs 1 stop brighter than the regular softboxes. I put a friend in front of it and took a photo with the modeling light. I think the reflection in the eyes looks really nice.

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I should have taken more pictures of it, but I was too tired allready, and I couldnt think straight.

What I found interesting is, that the frame isnt made by Elinchrom. It's used by other cheap Chinese knock off companies too. I ve seen it at least on 2 other booths with different brand names on it. Even the Elinchrom rep told me this, so its no big secret. The difference between them and the others is, that Elinchrom uses this special cloth. Price wise, it will retail significantly higher than the octa bank. Maybe somewhere in the 1700-2000$ range.

It will come out in the first quarter of 2015.


If you dont need the 1 extra stop, you could get the same box in the US for arround 3-400$ (thats what a guy from a Chinese company told me, but I couldnt find any yet).

I found it on a german site for like 800 euros.

http://mikrosat.de …softbox/Deep-sat-190.html (external link)

And on a Polish site for ~900 EUR

http://fripers.pl …-Tera-Box-D-75-190cm.html (external link)


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Sep 19, 2014 17:15 |  #9602

Is it just the reflective cloth that's different? I was expecting the softbox to use a Rotalux collapsing design.

Would explain why it's under this LiteMotiv name if it's based on a generic design, hopefully they'll still move to a recessed design so grids are finally affordable.




  
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Sep 19, 2014 17:22 as a reply to  @ simonbarker's post |  #9603

Yes, the only difference is the reflective cloth (according to the Elinchrom rep).
Compare the pictures on the product pages I posted, with the one in the Elinchrom brochure.


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Sep 19, 2014 19:02 |  #9604

dirks wrote in post #17165961 (external link)
Yes, the only difference is the reflective cloth (according to the Elinchrom rep).
Compare the pictures on the product pages I posted, with the one in the Elinchrom brochure.

It doesn't show the back so I wasn't certain, just wishful thinking...




  
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Sep 19, 2014 20:37 |  #9605

That would basically make it the same as the big Rimelite box then, wouldn't it?


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Sep 20, 2014 00:06 |  #9606

simonbarker wrote in post #17166116 (external link)
It doesn't show the back so I wasn't certain, just wishful thinking...

Compare these:

IMAGE: http://i.imgur.com/auyl51V.png

IMAGE: http://i.imgur.com/BDlohOb.png


Sheldon N wrote in post #17166287 (external link)
That would basically make it the same as the big Rimelite box then, wouldn't it?

Not really, because the Rime Lite doesnt come with a seperate bracket. It mounts directly on the flash. And it has a different diameter (200). Whereas the side profile and the inner difuser look identical. Maybe they all come from the same factory?

IMAGE: http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6121/5962426566_b4947293af_o.jpg


I just saw that even Hensel is using the same softbox. Thats interesting.
Its called "Hensel Grand 190"

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Sep 24, 2014 11:00 |  #9607

I love the elinchrom 69" 175cm and it is my favorite modifier, but I need something more portable outside the studio for headshots and above the waist type stuff.

Would the 100cm or 135cm offer the same quality of light as the bigger elinchrom for headshots?


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Sep 24, 2014 11:12 |  #9608

Theoretically:
If you get it closer (and turn down the power appropriately) then it should have the same relative size to the subject. Should be close enough on the subject, I think. Spill onto the background will be different.


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Sep 24, 2014 12:46 |  #9609

Light falloff will also be a bit different as you move closer.


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Sep 24, 2014 13:28 |  #9610

I use the 100cm and 135cm most often for head shots and probably more than any other modifiers, especially on location.


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Sep 24, 2014 14:08 |  #9611

fi20100 wrote in post #17175271 (external link)
Light falloff will also be a bit different as you move closer.

Yeah, good point. I was thinking about that with falloff between the subject to the background, but there'll also be a difference in falloff between the nose and the ears, or the face and the shoes.

Probably subtle. Probably too subtle for me to worry about. But, yeah, there's a difference.


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Sep 24, 2014 15:20 |  #9612

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Sep 24, 2014 16:07 |  #9613

nathancarter wrote in post #17175430 (external link)
Probably too subtle for me to worry about.

I think you'd be surprised.


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Sep 25, 2014 11:29 |  #9614

Hmm.. guess I'll have to give the 135cm a go. The 175cm is an amazing light, but not very portable outside the studio.


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Sep 25, 2014 12:16 |  #9615

135cm is still pretty big for outside unless you're protected from any air movement.


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