tim Light Bringer  51,010 posts Likes: 375 Joined Nov 2004 Location: Wellington, New Zealand More info | Nov 09, 2005 17:40 | #16 The way I think of the stofen, most of the light bounces off the roof, but some is sent direct to the subect. That helps reduce the shadows under the eyes, and similar things. I quite like the idea of bouncing off walls, i'd rather have graduated shadows across the face horizontally than vertically. Professional wedding photographer, solution architect and general technical guy with multiple Amazon Web Services certifications.
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dsze Goldmember  2,241 posts Likes: 1 Joined May 2004 Location: On The Lake! More info | Nov 09, 2005 17:43 | #17 Tim, have you used a mini-softbox or something similar? -daniel
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mgbeach Goldmember  1,502 posts Likes: 4 Joined Nov 2004 Location: Charleston, SC, USA More info | Nov 09, 2005 17:46 | #18 I just posted this; it might help a bit. I'm gonna do an outdoor test as soon as I can Michael G. Beach
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dsze Goldmember 2,241 posts Likes: 1 Joined May 2004 Location: On The Lake! More info | Nov 09, 2005 17:54 | #19 Michael, -daniel
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tim Light Bringer 51,010 posts Likes: 375 Joined Nov 2004 Location: Wellington, New Zealand More info | dsze wrote: Tim, have you used a mini-softbox or something similar? I have one but haven't gotten around to trying it yet, i've worked with a photographer who uses one and likes it. Professional wedding photographer, solution architect and general technical guy with multiple Amazon Web Services certifications.
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mgbeach Goldmember 1,502 posts Likes: 4 Joined Nov 2004 Location: Charleston, SC, USA More info | dsze wrote: Michael, Nice test. How high was the ceiling? It looks like sto-fen beats bare flash in all tests, but the higher up you point the sto-fen the nicer the results, IMO... at least with the ceiling in your test. Should have mentioned that. These are 10-foot ceilings. Michael G. Beach
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Keiffer Goldmember  2,259 posts Joined May 2005 Location: Orlando Fl. More info | Isn't 45 degrees straight on? tim wrote: Try it and see. I used the stofen straight on once, the person in the photo came out strangely orange, whereas at 45 degrees it was fine. It's called an omnibounce for a reason... use it when you bounce, otherwise use direct flash IMHO.
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Mycroft Senior Member  358 posts Joined Apr 2005 Location: Edmonton, AB Canada More info | Nov 09, 2005 22:01 | #23 If you go to Stofen's own website and check out the "how it works" link, http://www.stofen.com/Info/HowItWorks.htm Canon EOS 40D w/BG-E2, EF 50mm f/1.4 USM, EF 17-40mm f/4L USM, EF 24-70 f/2.8L USM, Sigma AF 70-200mm f/2.8 APO EX HSM, Canon Speedlite 580EX, Manfrotto 055CB tripod w/486RC2 clone ballhead, Opus OPL-M100 strobe w/45" shoothrough umbrella, Lightrein LR4A strobe w/24"x34" softbox
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tim Light Bringer 51,010 posts Likes: 375 Joined Nov 2004 Location: Wellington, New Zealand More info | Nov 09, 2005 22:03 | #24 No, 0 degress is straight on, 90 degrees is straight up, 45 degrees is in between. Professional wedding photographer, solution architect and general technical guy with multiple Amazon Web Services certifications.
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AMG Member 137 posts Joined Oct 2005 Location: Montreal More info | OK, clear enough, but I was under the impression that outddors, it would soften the harshness of the flash, so you wouldn`t get hot spots on the face and so on, so now, that`s not so ? Adobe certified
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dsze Goldmember 2,241 posts Likes: 1 Joined May 2004 Location: On The Lake! More info | Nov 10, 2005 06:31 | #26 Thanks for that link Mycroft. I'm not sure I agree fully however. Saying that there is no point to having a diffuser on outdoors (with nothing to bounce off of) would be like saying there is no point to shooting through a transluc. disc or a soft box. The sto-fen still softens your flash even if not as effective as with walls/ceilings to bounce off of. -daniel
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tim Light Bringer 51,010 posts Likes: 375 Joined Nov 2004 Location: Wellington, New Zealand More info | AMG wrote: OK, clear enough, but I was under the impression that outddors, it would soften the harshness of the flash, so you wouldn`t get hot spots on the face and so on, so now, that`s not so ? If there's any softening it's minor - softness or hardness of a light source is related to it's size, and the omni is only slightly larger than the flash head. If you point it at 45 deg outside it will actually appear to be smaller than the flash head. Professional wedding photographer, solution architect and general technical guy with multiple Amazon Web Services certifications.
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dsze Goldmember 2,241 posts Likes: 1 Joined May 2004 Location: On The Lake! More info | Nov 10, 2005 14:40 | #28 I understand what you're saying Tim, but then what would be the point of having an assist. hold up a transluscent disc, to soften the light coming through it, if softness/hardess if only related to the size of the light source? I'm just trying to wrap my head around lighting a bit more. -daniel
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tim Light Bringer 51,010 posts Likes: 375 Joined Nov 2004 Location: Wellington, New Zealand More info | Nov 10, 2005 14:53 | #29 That post doesn't read so well so i'm not 100% sure what you mean. The point of holding up a transluscent disc is the whole thing acts as a large light source, for soft light. Professional wedding photographer, solution architect and general technical guy with multiple Amazon Web Services certifications.
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mgbeach Goldmember 1,502 posts Likes: 4 Joined Nov 2004 Location: Charleston, SC, USA More info | Nov 10, 2005 15:09 | #30 I've got a shoot this weekend where I'm going to do a similar test to the one in my other post, but outside. Hopefully we'll put the issue to bed. Michael G. Beach
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