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Will the G series continue , after the G 12 ?

 
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Nov 21, 2011 17:33 |  #1

Will there be a new Canon G series ? I have a G 12, love it, great little camera...but available now, are interchangeable lens...small bodied cameras...with bigger sensors and not too much difference in size, compared to the G 12.

Is there a future for a G series ? If so...what changes will Canon have to make to the G series ?




  
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Nov 22, 2011 14:36 |  #2

Lesmore wrote in post #13432419 (external link)
Will there be a new Canon G series ? I have a G 12, love it, great little camera...but available now, are interchangeable lens...small bodied cameras...with bigger sensors and not too much difference in size, compared to the G 12.

Is there a future for a G series ? If so...what changes will Canon have to make to the G series ?

I just bought a G-12. I think we are at the beginning of a camera revolution for reasons you have already mentioned and others.

Sticking with the G12 theory, It may have come to and end but who knows. If it sticks around I would expect to see Digic 5, GPS and 1080 HD.

People might conisder getting a G12 while they still can. It's performance is well known and will most likely be cheaper than whatever does replace it.




  
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Nov 22, 2011 15:21 as a reply to  @ Norman B's post |  #3

I have the G11, and feel it's image quality matches the G12, so I did not upgrade. I also got the Samsung NX100 this summer, and like it's improved image qualities, but it's not as easy to carry around as the G11 - considering the built-in zoom range.

I am currently using Samsung's 30mm pancake lens, so it is a small enough size to fit in the same bag I would carry the G11 with. However, it's a fixed focal length, so it's limited at that size. Each has it's benefits and drawbacks, but I use each in a different situation.

I would like to see Canon come out with a new-improved G model, but as many have already requested...with a larger sensor and better low light (high ISO), and a faster (f/2.0 - 1.8) lens. Something like a Fuji X10 comes to mind.

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Nov 22, 2011 15:37 |  #4

Who knows but those who work up in the off-white tower? My guess is the G will continue to change, evolve, but stay much like it is today. Perfect, for what it is.


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Nov 22, 2011 15:50 |  #5

I think what is keeping it alive is the ability to have a large zoom because of the smaller sensor. My DP1 takes better pictures than my G-Series, quite a bit better actually... but it is a fixed focal length, (which isn't for everyone) If my Dp1 had the same zoom range as the G then the zoom would be so big that I might as well bring the DSLR. So for those who want manual controls, a small body, and a big zoom,,, the G-series will probably continue to hold up.


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Nov 22, 2011 16:32 |  #6

Well, the G-series was phased out for a while, Canon revived it because of people clamouring for it and because they saw they could make a profit from it. :D I am very happy it was revived.

Considering the S95 has evolved still, it is very likely the G12 will evolve too. The question is into what, especially now we see a new revolution happening in Canon-land with the replacement for 1D Mk IV and 1 Ds Mk III, plus the new video cam.

I suspect we may indeed get a G12 replacement in a similar format, which will allow interchangeable lenses. Whether the sensor will stay the same size, I wouldn't know, but I do hope it will increase a little, and will be a backlighted cmos sensor :D. This seems a logical step to me, but who knows what will really happen, other than those behind the controls of a potential replacement :D.

I am seriously considering a smaller camera with interchangeable lenses, but I can still wait a while :D.

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Nov 22, 2011 20:35 |  #7

I had high hopes for a G14, http://lightdescriptio​n.blogspot.com …wershot-g-prediction.html (external link) , but then despaired, http://lightdescriptio​n.blogspot.com/2011/09​/s100-announced.html (external link) and have noted on various forums that I thought the G series was done. However, recently a interview with Chuck Westfall by dpreview gives some hope (by implication) that the G series might be in for a major overhaul/update.

A major consideration in this debate is: What is the "G" series? If Canon comes out with a relatively compact, non-DSLR, zoom lens camera with a "G-like" operating system but it is not labeled with the "G" product name then is it essentially the continuation of the "G" line? On the other hand, suppose Canon uses the marketing power of the G name but the camera actually is larger, has a larger CMOS sensor, interchangeable lenses, no optical viewfinder and a different operating system -- would that camera really be a "G" camera?

Whatever it is called, I do think (hope) that Canon will be releasing an interesting compact camera in the spring of 2012.


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Nov 29, 2011 15:15 as a reply to  @ GordonSBuck's post |  #8

The G series is perfect for what it is. The Fuji X10 ups the anti a bit for the niche and should (has to) represent the next step for the G if it is to continue. I am not tempted by the tiny body large sensor cameras with interchangeable lenses. The idea is sound, but the sensor size requires a near SLR sized lens to get a fast zoom... Awkward looking and handling at best. It's like, hey nice lens... Did you forget to bring the camera?

I am really starting to like the up-scale point an shoots that you can actually hold in your hands and use. The tiny ones never appealed to me. Until very recently, I had always been an SLR guy. I hope the X10 trend catches on and we see more growth in this segment. Canon G series, or otherwise.


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Nov 30, 2011 02:22 |  #9

It is always interesting to hear what features people see as key to a product, for me the 3 biggest G factors are the small sensor, ability to hook up my existing flash kit and fit supplementary lenses.

The small sensor gives me the depth of field I want, need and use, increasing the sensor size would significantly alter and change this characteristic, the market is flooded with larger sensor models - improve it, get better resolution, higher ISO but please, please, please leave it the same 4.6x factor!

While the camera is small, being able to hook up all my existing flash is also extremely useful, while Canon flash technology is getting a bit long in the tooth - it does work and works very well. So I regularly hook up 1, 2 or even 3 large EX guns, use wireless, slave and master features, ratio control, light stands, brollies, etc.

The ability to fit filters, supplementary lenses is also a great feature, it enhances and extends the capabilities, it is one of my killer features.

I love the size, big enough to hold, but not too big. I have a love/hate relationship with the ergonomics and the multitude of small buttons which always get in the way.

What I would like to see is a longer zoom, improved sensor/higher ISO, built in flash controller, longer exposure than 15" or possibly more important give us a bulb feature to allow longer exposure, improve the optical viewfinder, upgrade the rear screen - confirming focus when doing close up is a real pain, ability to hook up to a larger screen such as an iPad, but upping the shooting rate would be good - I don't need 8 frames per second - but 3 would be nice, that is off the top of my head, I am sure there are others.

The G has been a very popular and hugely profitable range, combined with being a quite distinct market segment, I think it should/will continue, but what do I know. We will possibly get a unit that does amazing 3D video and allows you to connect remotely to a printer - hmmmm, what do they say "be careful what you wish for" and do they sell what you want, or what they can make...


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Nov 30, 2011 03:55 |  #10

If Canon does come out with a follow on from the G series that has interchangeable lenses, do you think it will use the EF mount?


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Nov 30, 2011 04:49 |  #11

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If Canon does come out with a follow on from the G series that has interchangeable lenses, do you think it will use the EF mount?

Probably not: the camera is too small for an EF or EF-S mount, unless it will be a camera with APS-C, APS-H or FF sensor. There also is the question of flange to sensor distance. 42 mm for a petite camera is a bit much too, and I doubt Canon will engineer something that will allow the wrong lenses to be mounted. This is also true for any MILC with APS-C or larger sensor.

This "EG" mount will likely be similar in functionality, I would think, just be a lot smaller, but hopefully Canon will provide an adapter from "EG" to EF/EF-S mount :D.

All of this provided this will indeed happen of course :D.

I wouldn't mind a range of cameras either, MILC à la G-series with backlit CMOS sensor, an APS-C version (slightly bigger), and an FF version (slightly bigger again) :D.

Hmmm. Maybe it is time to start stocking up on some older, manual lenses :D.

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Nov 30, 2011 07:04 |  #12

I think they should stick a CMOS sensor in and some other goodies as it's cousin the S100 for at least one more G series camera. Maybe make it dual digic 5 and a special battery for some extra speed like a mini-7D. ;)

Canon needs to get in the game though with a thin mirrorless, but I think they should keep a APS-C in it and develop EF-S pancake lenses. Only future will tell if these M4/3 cameras survive, and Nikon has already invested in a new lens lineup.


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Nov 30, 2011 08:52 |  #13

Lacks_focus wrote in post #13469873 (external link)
The G series is perfect for what it is. The Fuji X10 ups the anti a bit for the niche and should (has to) represent the next step for the G if it is to continue. ...

Completely agree. I hope Canon goes big with the next G. Not just 1080P and other incremental add ons. It's time to step it up. Too many cameras nipping at the heels of the G12 (or running right by it).


  
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Nov 30, 2011 18:18 |  #14

wimg wrote in post #13472861 (external link)
Probably not: the camera is too small for an EF or EF-S mount, unless it will be a camera with APS-C, APS-H or FF sensor.

What about if they leave out the mirror? Then the only issue is whether the lens can focus close enough.


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Dec 05, 2011 22:45 as a reply to  @ Tiberius's post |  #15

If the G series goes interchangeable lenses, I'm out for the upgrade, for reasons of (in order of importance) a) cost, & b) convenience.

The Gs provide great quality pictures & features with a pretty nice lens range for less than the cost of a typical dSLR body. As such, it's a very inviting, non-intimidating step up for those wanting to dip their toes in higher end photography, and a cost-smart alternate for dSLR owners that want high end (coat) pocketability.

That said, considering that just a year after the intro of the G12 and the S95, the S100 has pretty much upstaged the G12 in all but hot shoe and multi-angle screen, I'd have to guess that Canon sees the G series needs more than a fresh coat of paint. We can see from the S100 that an upgraded sensor and processor are in the offing for a new G model. But this model will need to be more than an S100 with a hot shoe.

I'd look for a brighter lens with a wider angle and longer reach (laws of physics withstanding), an optical viewer that's a true alternative to the screen rather than an emergency back up, a pop up flash that doesn't practically ride on the top of the lens, and yes, a screen resolution that matches best in class, plus a few later-to-be-named touches differentiating the G from a gussied up P&S.

Make the package sweet enough, and I'll merrily pony up even one hundred bucks more than I did for my G12. But please save the micro four thirds for another series.


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