so if RAW is all the data captured by the sensor. Why is it displayed as a color picture when opening it using Capture 1 Pro?
Shoulndt it be black or white or just outlines of an image. Why is it processed?
CorruptedPhotographer Goldmember 1,802 posts Likes: 2 Joined Jul 2005 Location: AbuDhabi, United Arab Emirates More info | Nov 08, 2005 22:09 | #1 so if RAW is all the data captured by the sensor. Why is it displayed as a color picture when opening it using Capture 1 Pro? Gear List
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RAitch Goldmember 2,917 posts Likes: 9 Joined Mar 2005 Location: Sarnia Ontario, Canada More info | Nov 08, 2005 22:12 | #2 It's interpreted using the RAW interpreter file for your camera. Then you are able to adjust several settings like exposure and the like.
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RAitch Goldmember 2,917 posts Likes: 9 Joined Mar 2005 Location: Sarnia Ontario, Canada More info | Nov 08, 2005 22:14 | #3 B&W? There are R, G, and B sensor layers in the camera... it's capturing all of the colour data so why would you expect it to show in B&W?
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Jesper Goldmember 2,742 posts Joined Oct 2003 Location: The Netherlands More info | Nov 09, 2005 07:31 | #4 CorruptedPhotographer wrote: so if RAW is all the data captured by the sensor. Why is it displayed as a color picture when opening it using Capture 1 Pro? Shoulndt it be black or white or just outlines of an image. Why is it processed? Why would you ever want to see the unprocessed RAW data? How would it be useful? Canon EOS 5D Mark III
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tzalman Fatal attraction. 13,497 posts Likes: 213 Joined Apr 2005 Location: Gesher Haziv, Israel More info | Nov 09, 2005 12:51 | #5 You are right, the RAW data is grey-scale data - a numeric representation of the intensity of the light striking each pixel. There is no picture to be seen, but a graphic representation would be a checkerboard of various shades of grey. Elie / אלי
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Bodog Goldmember 1,306 posts Joined Feb 2004 Location: Peculiar, MO More info | I had a plug in for Photoshop that allowed direct conversion of a Minolta RAW file without interpolation. There is an image, but it's very dark and very green. Not B&W... JimE
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RAitch Goldmember 2,917 posts Likes: 9 Joined Mar 2005 Location: Sarnia Ontario, Canada More info | Bodog wrote: I had a plug in for Photoshop that allowed direct conversion of a Minolta RAW file without interpolation. There is an image, but it's very dark and very green. Not B&W... Yeah, it's not grey-scale data like tzalman mentioned... it's pure binary data that's captured from the sensors measuring how much light hit the sensors.
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RAitch Goldmember 2,917 posts Likes: 9 Joined Mar 2005 Location: Sarnia Ontario, Canada More info | Nov 09, 2005 13:35 | #8 Check out the bottom of this page
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tim Light Bringer 51,010 posts Likes: 375 Joined Nov 2004 Location: Wellington, New Zealand More info | RAitch wrote: B&W? There are R, G, and B sensor layers in the camera... it's capturing all of the colour data so why would you expect it to show in B&W? You're kind of right. All the sensor does is count photons that hit it. There are red, green, and blue filters in front of the sensor sites that only let those colors of light thru, more green than red and blue though, because the eye's more sensitive to green. Professional wedding photographer, solution architect and general technical guy with multiple Amazon Web Services certifications.
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CorruptedPhotographer THREAD STARTER Goldmember 1,802 posts Likes: 2 Joined Jul 2005 Location: AbuDhabi, United Arab Emirates More info | RAitch wrote: B&W? There are R, G, and B sensor layers in the camera... it's capturing all of the colour data so why would you expect it to show in B&W? Well not black and white, but definitely not in color. As other members said, gray scale. Because, I choose to shoot RAW so I can process the photo as opposed to the built-in computer in the camera that processes the photos. Right? Then how come I see color,saturation,contrast etc etc etc ? Gear List
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CorruptedPhotographer THREAD STARTER Goldmember 1,802 posts Likes: 2 Joined Jul 2005 Location: AbuDhabi, United Arab Emirates More info | Jesper wrote: Why would you ever want to see the unprocessed RAW data? How would it be useful? The purpose of RAW conversion software like Capture One is to convert the RAW data to a colour image. You tweak the parameters like white balance, saturation, contrast, sharpness etc. and it converts your image to a colour image. When tweaking the parameters you want to preview how the result is going to be - after all, the result is what counts. So I can process it the way I took it. Why should the camera process it and then allow me to edit it with more information than the casual jpg-processed image. I mean, isnt that why you shoot RAW? So you develop the image you saw. Gear List
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JasonW Senior Member 293 posts Joined Feb 2005 Location: Adelaide, South Australia More info | Nov 09, 2005 19:58 | #12 As Raitch has already said, basically the photsites are counting the number of photons hitting each site. Each of the sites have one single colour filter. The filters are applied to the sites in the following sequence: Red, Green, Blue, Green, Red etc. This is called a Bayer pattern. The purpose of this is to allow the camera to measure the amount of light of each colour striking the sensor in each area. Because each sensor only captures one colour of light, some interpolation needs to occur in order to output three colours per photosite. If this wasn't done a 20D for example would only be a 2.7 mega pixel camera. Different RAW converters use different interpolation methods which is why you get different results from each of them.
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RAitch Goldmember 2,917 posts Likes: 9 Joined Mar 2005 Location: Sarnia Ontario, Canada More info | CorruptedPhotographer wrote: Well not black and white, but definitely not in color. As other members said, gray scale. Because, I choose to shoot RAW so I can process the photo as opposed to the built-in computer in the camera that processes the photos. Right? Then how come I see color,saturation,contrast etc etc etc ? I'm not sure exactly what you mean....
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RAitch Goldmember 2,917 posts Likes: 9 Joined Mar 2005 Location: Sarnia Ontario, Canada More info | CorruptedPhotographer wrote: So I can process it the way I took it. Why should the camera process it and then allow me to edit it with more information than the casual jpg-processed image. I mean, isnt that why you shoot RAW? So you develop the image you saw. In RAW, those settings aren't applied. In the RAW converter, the camera settings are shown by default but are not actually applied to the image.
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tzalman Fatal attraction. 13,497 posts Likes: 213 Joined Apr 2005 Location: Gesher Haziv, Israel More info | CorruptedPhotographer wrote: Well not black and white, but definitely not in color. As other members said, gray scale. Because, I choose to shoot RAW so I can process the photo as opposed to the built-in computer in the camera that processes the photos. Right? Then how come I see color,saturation,contrast etc etc etc ? The color, etc. is not in the RAW. It is created by your computer when you click on the RAW file and will exist only in memory until it is saved. Consider it the computer's suggestion for a nice conversion that you can take it or leave it. RAitch wrote: it's not grey-scale... it's pure binary data that's captured from the sensors measuring how much light hit the sensors. But that is exactly what grey-scale is. Shades of grey are the graphic interface for representing light intensity without color information. For instance, the L channel in LAB space. It might be divided into 256 levels (shades of grey) or in the case of RAW 4096 levels, but saying that pixel 273 reported level 2500 does not give us any color information until we also know that pixel 273 sits behind a red filter. Now we can describe what the pixel saw as 2500,0,0. The next step is to estimate better values for the two zeros in order to recreate the original subject color. But all this is done in the converter, and what the RAW brings to the table is only a list of grey L values. Elie / אלי
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