You ever been told you can not take a photo?

Mall cops probably only have this thing to stamp their right on

dave kadolph wrote in post #13486550
Security guards in Millennium park have given "pro" photographers --people with tripods--a hard time for not having a proper permit.

While countless folks with cell cameras and P&S's aren't given a second look.

Private property--He who has the gold makes the rules

never experienced that and I've shot on sticks there many times.

and Millennium Park is not private property, its a public park

The media is responsible for most of the hype about "terrorists with cameras". They put out stories which cause people to suspect the actions of all others & especially so, if the person is doing something that they don't understand, such as photography, or is of an ethnic community which is known for having members that don't agree with their governments policies. The aim of a terrorist is to "instill an irrational fear in others" & in this case, the media has done the job for them. Likewise, with perverts photographing children. Every male with a camera will be viewed with suspicion by others if taking photos in a childrens play area, but does anyone stop to think that this could be just a father photographing his kid having fun on a family day out? Sadly, those days seem to be gone. I've even heard someone lately refusing to bring their kid to visit Santa because they didn't trust some old guy dressed up in a disguise holding their child & even suggested that he was a pervert.

About 2 months ago there was an article in the press about a guy who took a quick snap of his little girl eating ice cream on his phone while they were inside a shopping centre(mall) here in Glasgow. The girl was the only person in the shot and you couldn't even see the names of any of the shops but the man was approached by security and then questioned by police under anti terrorism laws. Totally rediculous in my opinion. Hardly a terrorist

http://www.bbc.co.uk …and-glasgow-west-15236758

PeteD wrote in post #13486489
LOL........So, have any of you ever been told you can not take a photo or been run off because you did?

This has been posted before, but none the less it should answer your question.

http://www.youtube.com​/watch?v=bcIdCOqYQJ0

Wayne

xpfloyd wrote in post #13492035
About 2 months ago there was an article in the press about a guy who took a quick snap of his little girl eating ice cream on his phone while they were inside a shopping centre(mall) here in Glasgow.

We recently had a guy here videotaping children showering at the beach with some rather sinister intentions…


MAN FOUND VIDEOTAPING KIDS AT BEACH SHOWERS
PROLIFIC PORN COLLECTOR FACES 100 CHARGES
BSO Case Number: DR11-11-8047
PIO Number: 11-11-25
Date: 11/28/11
Time: 6:50 a.m. Jurisdiction: Deerfield Beach
Place of Occurrence: 100 block of SE 21 Ave., Deerfield Beach

Victim(s):
N/A

Suspect(s):
John Jefferson Field, 66, male, 8/20/45, 2960 Riverside Dr., #214, Coral Springs

Description of Incident:
An alert Deerfield Beach Ocean Rescue lifeguard spotted a suspicious man videotaping children as they washed off at the beach the day before Thanksgiving in Deerfield Beach and alerted a Broward Sheriff’s Office deputy. The man admitted he had an extensive collection of child pornography at his home in Coral Springs, including about a year’s worth of lewd images of children at the Deerfield Beach.
Once approached by the deputy, John Field, 66, voluntarily handed over his video camera. Most of the videos and images found in the recording device on Nov. 23 showed unclothed girls, mostly under 5 years of age, as they washed off at the public showers. Field admitted he had been collecting child pornography for about 13 years.

BSO Detective Jennifer Montgomery, with the South Florida Internet Crimes Against Children Task Force, met the suspect at his home in Coral Springs where he referred to his lifelong attraction to children as “much more than a fetish.” A preliminary forensic analysis of one of several media storage devices he voluntarily gave detectives contained over 50,000 explicit images of girls between 1 and 12 years of age and about a dozen videos of boys engaged in sexual acts.
Field has not admitted to having physical contact with any children and has retained a lawyer. He has been booked into the BSO Main Jail facing 100 counts of child pornography. Field could face more charges pending the completion of the investigation. Anyone with information about kids potentially harmed by Field is asked to contact BSO Detective Montgomery at 954-888-5239 or Broward Crime Stoppers at 954-493-TIPS (8477) or www.sheriff.org.
Field’s arrest came about thanks to the public’s cooperation in reporting suspicious activity. BSO wants to remind parents to be mindful of their surroundings and to report anything that seems out of place.

Media note: Video is available on www.sheriff.org, and the mug shot is attached to this release.

INVESTIGATORS: Det. Montgomery, SID ICAC Deerfield Beach
THIS REPORT BY: Keyla Concepción/PIO 11/28/11 1230

http://sheriff.org/abo​ut_bso/admin/media/new​sdetails.cfm?pk=3410&s​Type=M

Wayne

Wayne,

Am I missing your point here? The link I posted was about a guy taking a pic of his own daughter and getting quizzed by the police under anti terrorism laws. What has this to do with a pervert/pedophile recording videos of children at the beach?

Because there's at least one bad guy out there, we must limit everyone's freedoms. Think of the children.

Personally, I'm going to add that guy behind "Being struck by lightning" and "Getting hit with a meteor" on my list of fears, listed by probability.

xpfloyd wrote in post #13492689
Wayne,

Am I missing your point here? The link I posted was about a guy taking a pic of his own daughter and getting quizzed by the police under anti terrorism laws. What has this to do with a pervert/pedophile recording videos of children at the beach?

Because there are no specific laws governing photographing children in a public space, but some people feel that it could be a paedophile in action, so call the police. The police have to respond to the complaint and anti terrorism laws are often used as the excuse to have a quick word.

The paedophile at the beach is relevant, because it is stories like that which get the guys photographing their own kids eating ice cream, reported to the police.

What I hate is, to see this country go down that road. We are supposed to have freedoms that people have died for to ensure we have them. To which I am deeply thankful. I understand the whole thing about not taking photos of federal buildings. I also understand the not taking photos of children (which I would never do unless I had the parents permission). I also understand that, there are people out there who would do it for obvious reasons (there are bad people out there). But, to say to someone who has a DSLR they can not take a photo when there are other people standing right there doing the same thing with a P & S or phone just is rediculous. People are just getting too paranoid in this country.

These policies are based on a combination of hysteria over terrorism/paedophilia/​whatever, coupled with a policy of "being seen not to discriminate" so everybody gets treated the same - except when it's too hard to enforce (like camera phones). Unfortunately the first thing to go out of the window is good old common sense.

Mike Deep wrote in post #13493076
Because there's at least one bad guy out there, we must limit everyone's freedoms. Think of the children.

Personally, I'm going to add that guy behind "Being struck by lightning" and "Getting hit with a meteor" on my list of fears, listed by probability.

sandpiper wrote in post #13493102
Because there are no specific laws governing photographing children in a public space, but some people feel that it could be a paedophile in action, so call the police. The police have to respond to the complaint and anti terrorism laws are often used as the excuse to have a quick word.

The paedophile at the beach is relevant, because it is stories like that which get the guys photographing their own kids eating ice cream, reported to the police.

Im sorry maybe my original post came across wrong. Im all for weirdos/suspicious folk/pedos, call them what you like, being challenged if taking pics of kids. All I was trying to say was that being accused of being a terrorist because you took a pic of your kid in a mall is completely out of order, but I appreciate that its all the bad stories that could have led to this in the first place, but youd think that the police would just say outright that they are making sure that its your own kid without hiding behind the pretense of terrorism.

Yeah, I've just been told in another thread. But that's okay. My shots do stink.

Oh wait....

You didn't mean it that way.

Never mind.

every time i read of one of these experiences where people are told to cap the camera, i realize the war on terror is about as successful as the war on drugs.

xpfloyd wrote in post #13493863
Im sorry maybe my original post came across wrong. Im all for weirdos/suspicious folk/pedos, call them what you like, being challenged if taking pics of kids. All I was trying to say was that being accused of being a terrorist because you took a pic of your kid in a mall is completely out of order, but I appreciate that its all the bad stories that could have led to this in the first place, but youd think that the police would just say outright that they are making sure that its your own kid without hiding behind the pretense of terrorism.

No, no, I quite agree with you.

On the occasions that somebody has called the cops on me, they haven't mentioned the anti-terrorist laws, just checked what I was doing and then apologised for bothering me. Takes maybe two minutes and I'm back to taking photos.

However, I have always been friendly, polite and helpful when approached. The police have what you could term an "attitude test", whereby the wrong attitude will rebound on you. If you try and stand on your rights and refuse to explain yourself, show your images etc., they can tend to assume that you have something to hide. At that point, they may escalate things and bring up "anti-terror" laws to allow them to check you out more thoroughly.

Yes, there are some A-holes in the police force (as in every walk of life) and they can be a pain even if you are fully open with them. However, the vast majority of these cases of photographer harrassment etc., are due to the photographers being stupid and failing the attitude test.