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Nov 10, 2005 22:36 |  #1

New to PTON! My initial enthusiasm for my brand new G6 has eventually changed to extreme frustration... Spent 2 hours shooting in Toronto's High Park today. I experimented with most settings - out of 100 shots, only 20 are in focus. P setting is by far the worst - everything has a halo. Auto works best (when it works) and my new 420EX really helps - but who wants to use flash for everything? Called Canon tech support who suggest I send it in for service?? Honestly, I had much better results with my prehistoric Nikon Coolpix! What gives? What a tremendous letdown.

Any suggestions? I've tried all possible solutions - holding down the button, turning off Continuous AF Mode, using only F5.6 and above. I don't want to really buy a different camera as I've invested heavily in bags, 420EX, batteries, etc.

Thanx in advance for any suggestions. I would rate this camera a 2 out of 10.


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Nov 10, 2005 22:46 |  #2

We would need a couple a photos with EXIF to comment, but it is always possible you have a dud camera. I've only used the G6 a few times -- always on P mode -- and it's been brilliant from the very first shots. Something's obviously wrong... post some photos and data.

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Nov 10, 2005 22:48 as a reply to  @ Don Ellis's post |  #3

Thanks for the quick response Don. What is EXIF? I'll try to post some tomorrow - I've pitched all the duds as they're just bloating my hard drive.

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Nov 11, 2005 13:14 |  #4

Welcome richardbruce

In low light conditions, The Auto or P modes sometimes select shutter speeds below 1/60 sec and you get camera shake or motion blur that may be similar to an out of focus image.

I will suggest the following:
Check the G6 user’s guide pg. 54 and perform the Resetting the Settings to Default instructions.
Go to a place with lots of light, choose Auto or P and shot some still subjects first and then some people.

Check the results. With a G6 in good condition you will shot very good pictures.

Before resetting, you may check if the ND filter was set to ON. Set it to OFF and test again.


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Nov 11, 2005 16:04 |  #5

What we are trying to do is diagnose whether the blurry pictures are caused by poor focus or hand shake caused by long shutter speeds. If it is the latter, we can show you some tricks on speeding the shutter.

EXIF is the data attached to the file that shows the type of camera, shutter speed, aterture, program mode, flash on or off, and other settings. Unless you have run the picture through a program that scrubs the data, many programs, including many image editors can display the data. Many times it is called Metadata.


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Nov 11, 2005 17:47 |  #6

Hi... I can certainly provide the EXIF info. How large a digital file should I supply with it for your scrutiny? I usually shoot at max. size and resolution because of my 2 gig CF and powerful Mac. Should the images be resampled at a lower resolution... kinda defeats the purpose!

I'm closer to a resolution of this problem. The camera was set at AF Center Frame, as opposed to AiAF. AiAF has proved to be a little more reliable. I ran tests today on a tripod in various modes. In both P and Auto at speeds of 1/60 and higher. I'm still not too satisfied with the focus, compared with other images I've seen on this site. I'd prefer a camera with fewer bells and whistles and a more stable sharp image. Any further suggestions would be greatly appreciated before I'm tempted to take this sucker back for a refund or exchange.

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Nov 11, 2005 20:03 as a reply to  @ richardbruce's post |  #7

richardbruce wrote:
How large a digital file should I supply with it for your scrutiny?

If they're as bad as you say, 800x600 plus EXIF should show and tell us what we need to know.

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Nov 11, 2005 20:39 |  #8

richardbruce wrote:
New to PTON! My initial enthusiasm for my brand new G6 has eventually changed to extreme frustration... Spent 2 hours shooting in Toronto's High Park today. I experimented with most settings - out of 100 shots, only 20 are in focus. P setting is by far the worst - everything has a halo. Auto works best (when it works) and my new 420EX really helps - but who wants to use flash for everything? Called Canon tech support who suggest I send it in for service?? Honestly, I had much better results with my prehistoric Nikon Coolpix! What gives? What a tremendous letdown.

Any suggestions? I've tried all possible solutions - holding down the button, turning off Continuous AF Mode, using only F5.6 and above. I don't want to really buy a different camera as I've invested heavily in bags, 420EX, batteries, etc.

Thanx in advance for any suggestions. I would rate this camera a 2 out of 10.

Halos.... sounds to me like slow shutter speeds !!! post your pic or exif data..


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Nov 11, 2005 20:41 as a reply to  @ lefturn99's post |  #9

lefturn99 wrote:
If it is the latter, we can show you some tricks on speeding the shutter.

What tricks do you talk about..
As far as im concerned its all general photography knowledge..


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Nov 11, 2005 20:55 as a reply to  @ Nabil-A's post |  #10

Nabil-A wrote:
What tricks do you talk about..
As far as im concerned its all general photography knowledge..

I think lefturn99 merely wanted to help out a newbie here with his new camera. Instead of getting hung up on semantics, perhaps you can pitch in a tip or two.

Richardbruce, welcome to the forum, we are all here to help figure out your new camera. We await that Exif data. I'll take a stab at it now and agree with rpolitsr that it mat be the ND filter. Turn it off! :)


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Nov 11, 2005 21:01 |  #11

Of course you are right. nothing mysterious. Shooting in P mode doesn't usually give wide apertures, which in turn gives relatively long shutter times, which leads to camera shake if hand held.

richardbruce may have corrected some blur problems with the tripod. Next is Av at wide open aperture and ISO as high as you can stand.

And I've always read to turn AIAF off. No experience with it myself.

If all that doesn't work (especially on a tripod), the next step is to start closing the Aperture while still on a tripod. That will increase the depth of field and make actual focusing less critical. Make sense?

What we call general photography knowledge is a trick if you haven't heard of it before. The best plan, in my mind is to see if the problem is focus or camera shake first. Thein a correction can be devised.


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Nov 11, 2005 22:56 |  #12

Nabil-A wrote:
Halos.... sounds to me like slow shutter speeds !!! post your pic or exif data..

Yes.
Halos can also be caused by condensation (dew?) on the lens and/or sensor if you move between places with big temperature differences like car-outdoors or home-outdoors in cold weather.

This kind of halo usually disappears waiting for temperature stabilization between the camera and environment. It may take up to an hour in some cases.

But we are just guessing until we see some image sample.


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Nov 12, 2005 01:14 as a reply to  @ rpolitsr's post |  #13

rpolitsr wrote:
Yes.
Halos can also be caused by condensation (dew?) on the lens and/or sensor if you move between places with big temperature differences like car-outdoors or home-outdoors in cold weather.

This kind of halo usually disappears waiting for temperature stabilization between the camera and environment. It may take up to an hour in some cases.

But we are just guessing until we see some image sample.

Yes thats true :),
However the poster indicated that Auto resulted in generally good shots (when they worked), some shots 20 of them came out okay. This would seem to indicate user error as i would think condensation would affect all modes.

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Simply do this

Open up zoombrowser, then navigate to the folder with all your photos - left pane. Now click on the preview tab (top of right window pane). All your photos will be arranged horizontally along the bottom of your zoombrowser right window and you will have information tabs along the right such as File informatiion, star rating, keywords, shooting information.... BINGO.

Simply copy and paste the info of this window into your reply example below.

Camera Model Name
Canon EOS 20D
Shooting Date/Time
11/6/2005 4:13:15 PM
Tv( Shutter Speed )
1/250 <---------- if this is below 1/60 of a second... read below ***
Av( Aperture Value )
3.5
ISO Speed
100

etc
etc
etc

**** There is a general rule of thumb that if you shoot below a shutter speed of 1/60sec (As will be indicated by the handshake icon on camera)... then you will need to be very careful not to shake the camera when taking the pic... tripoding as others suggest is needed, or even a monopod. With practise youll learn to get away with as little as 1/15sec..

To get your shutter speed up to a higher value you will have to either decreas the AV value (opening up the lens) at the expense of loosing depth of field, or increasing your iso upwards tp 100,200,400 from 50 (at the expense of noisier grainier images. There are things to check such as ND filter is off. An "ON" setting has the effect of closing your aperture by 2 stops from memory which causes your shutter speed slower.

Ive tried not to bother you with details, youll pick them up soon enough if you ask enough questions on these forums.. plenty of helpful people and advice.


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Nov 12, 2005 02:29 |  #14

I had the G2. The only time I got blurry results was when I had placed my sun lotioned thumb on the lens. As there was sun lotion in my eyes also, I did not notice the problem until viewing the shots on screen. Makes one feel the donkey ears growing...
Also, in moist atmosphere in the Caribbean there were some dark spots, obviously from condensation on the sensor surface.

A lot of professionals carry this camera around as their back-up so basically the problem here has to be of individual nature.
Just came to my mind..you can fool the focusing system by placing your finger so that it blocks the rangefinder eye.
An easy one to fix...


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Nov 12, 2005 04:17 |  #15

Richard,
Don't worry, the learning curve with any digital camera is quite fast.
You have a camera which has much more possibilities and settings than others. It is good and bad (in your situation). Please invest some time to read the manual. You may also resize your photos with a sw that keeps the EXIF info (Canon ZoomBrowser, IrfanView, Fast Stone Image Viewer, etc) and place the photos on some Internet site which also keeps Exif info (example imageshack.us, fotopic.net, pbase.com trial account, etc) and give us the links.
Without the Exif info is not possible to comment your photos and find your problems.
The Canon Powershot G6 camera is excellent photography tool, some G6 example photos from me:
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