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Jan 15, 2012 09:42 |  #166

tetrode wrote in post #13707404 (external link)
From the Elinchrom product page referenced by your link:

"Note:
Heads or Compacts with E27 / 100W or 250W Modelling Lights cannot be used with the Glass-Dome. This is only possible when used with small Halogen lamps, same wattages, but with the GX 6.35 socket. This requires Halogen Lamp Adapter // 23101, which converts from E27 to GX 6.35."


So, yes, the E27 base modeling light must be replaced with a halogen bi-pin adapter and 6.35mm base Halogen bulb.

Is this even possible for the D-Lite or the BX Ri? I know that the adapter would fit and that 'some' halogen bulb could be mounted, but since the 196V Leuci bulbs are used at overvoltage, they are running at more then 100W. So I presume a halogen bulb of a similar rating would be rather dim.

While we're at it: Did anyone of you try the D-Lites with the adapter and a bulb with more then 100W? I'd love to have brighter modelling lights but don't want the expense or hassle of the RX line.

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Jan 15, 2012 09:48 |  #167

charlieharper wrote in post #13706251 (external link)
Final question, for this post, what is this ...............

http://www.elinchrom.c​om …Dome-Frosted.html#content (external link)

IMAGE NOT FOUND
HTTP response: 403 | MIME changed to 'application/xml'

Looks like they designed a new glass dome for the zoomable heads. The flash tube can be moved on these, so I presume the glass dome had to be deeper. It's diameter is also not quite as large, the umbrella hole is not covered.

I wonder how usable those zooming heads are. I've tried them at Photokina 2010, but with a fixed modelling light the effect of zooming was absolutely invisible before taking an image with flash. A frosted dome would probably help, but it looks like it's fixed as well. A fixed frosted dome would probably not only even out the light distribution between modelling light and flash tube, but also between all zooming positions.

EDIT: Looks like the modelling light is zooming as well, the demo units at Photokina had LED modelling lights (for the Ranger RX) which were fixed. So luckily some of my points don't apply.

Are there any real reviews out there already?

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Jan 15, 2012 17:54 |  #168

tetrode wrote in post #13707404 (external link)
From the Elinchrom product page referenced by your link:

"Note:
Heads or Compacts .......


Dave F.

Thanks Dave,

Still a touch confused (I guess by Elinchroms terminology) what is a "head" and what is a "compact", and so by further extension, which units CAN you use the glass domes with WITHOUT the GX-6 conversion ?

AFAIK, Elinchrom make several different "types" of units............

DLites
BXRi
Style RX (My RX600's)
"Studio" heads (BYO Pack)
Ranger heads (Different to "regular" studio heads, but adaptable with a converter ??)
Quadra heads

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Jan 15, 2012 21:39 |  #169

charlieharper wrote in post #13709671 (external link)
Thanks Dave,

Still a touch confused (I guess by Elinchroms terminology) what is a "head" and what is a "compact", and so by further extension, which units CAN you use the glass domes with WITHOUT the GX-6 conversion ?

AFAIK, Elinchrom make several different "types" of units............

DLites
BXRi
Style RX (My RX600's)
"Studio" heads (BYO Pack)
Ranger heads (Different to "regular" studio heads, but adaptable with a converter ??)
Quadra heads

Cheers,

Austen.

Well, Austen, Elinchrom refers (on their site) to the 600RXes and the BXris as "Compacts". Interestingly, the D-Lites are only referred to as "entry level".

Here's a US version 600RX (on the left) alongside a Canadian version 600RX:

IMAGE: http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7146/6705609631_b56b08dcea_b.jpg

The US version takes an ESP type halogen modeling light bulb while (for whatever reason) the Canadian version natively takes an E27 base bulb. I've replaced the E27 base bulb with a bi-pin adapter and 6.35 halogen bulb.

I think Elinchrom is very clear regarding modeling light bulb compatibility: If your Compact or head uses an E27 base bulb, the glass domes cannot be used. The E27 base bulb must be replaced with the 6.35 bi-pin adapter to allow the domes to be used.

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Jan 15, 2012 23:03 |  #170

Thanks Dave,

I purchased my RX600's from The Netherlands and like the Canadian ones, they too have the E27 fitting.

You didn't notice any difference in the modelling light when you swapped the E27 globe for the adapter / bi-pin assembly ?

Just another thing to think about, those of us with the E27 need to convert to Bi-Pin if we're going the "Glass dome" mod !

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Jan 15, 2012 23:16 |  #171

charlieharper wrote in post #13711143 (external link)
Thanks Dave,

I purchased my RX600's from The Netherlands and like the Canadian ones, they too have the E27 fitting.

You didn't notice any difference in the modelling light when you swapped the E27 globe for the adapter / bi-pin assembly ?

Just another thing to think about, those of us with the E27 need to convert to Bi-Pin if we're going the "Glass dome" mod !

Cheers,

Austen.

Sometimes I type faster than I think, Austen. I've had to correct my prior post. US versions of the 600RX come with 150w ESP type bulbs (BA15d base, I believe), not bi-pin. The bulbs look like this:

http://www.filmtools.c​om/esp1512halgl.html (external link)

I see absolutely no difference between the 150W ESP/BA15d bulbs in two of my 600RXes and the 150W 6.35mm bi-pin Halogen in the third.

Sorry for the slip-up.

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Jan 16, 2012 08:55 |  #172

tetrode wrote in post #13711188 (external link)
Sometimes I type faster than I think, Austen......
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Sorry for the slip-up. Dave F.

That's OK Dave, I often don't think at all !!

Either way the facts are the same, you (US) guys get a non-E27 modelling light which is fine for the glass dome, whereas "international" units need the adapter.

Thanks for sorting this out,

Cheers,

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Jan 16, 2012 10:24 |  #173

Looking at the adapter online, i don't think its compatible with DLites.

http://www.adorama.com …Other&utm_sourc​e=dealtime (external link)


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Jan 16, 2012 11:40 as a reply to  @ post 13707404 |  #174

XpLoiT wrote in post #13702154 (external link)
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first shoot with the fireball and love it. well to be fair its the fireball and a frosted dome inside.

wow I like it!


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Jan 16, 2012 18:47 |  #175

Csae wrote in post #13713040 (external link)
Looking at the adapter online, i don't think its compatible with DLites.

http://www.adorama.com …Other&utm_sourc​e=dealtime (external link)

You might be right there ..............

http://www.elinchrom.c​h …Lamp-Adapter.html#content (external link)

Elinchrom wrote:
Compatible professional EL Compacts:
(when used with a maximum 200 W Halogen lamp / GX 6.35 socket)
  • Style RX 300 / 600 / 1200
  • Style S 300 / 600 / 1200
  • EL 1000 / 750S / 1500S / 1500 R
Compatible EL Compacts:
(when used with a maximum 100 - 150 W Halogen lamp / GX 6.35 socket)
  • BXRi 250 / 500
  • Style FX 100 / 400
  • Style BX 100 / 400
  • Style 300 / 600
  • EL 250 / 500
Compatible Flashheads:
(when used with a maxiimum 300 W Halogen with GX 6.35 lamp socket)
  • Mini S
  • Mini A Speed
  • Mini 1500
Compatible Continuous Lights:
(when used with a maxiimum 300 W Halogen with GX 6.35 lamp socket)
  • Minilite Head

No mention of the Dlites there.

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Jan 16, 2012 19:07 as a reply to  @ charlieharper's post |  #176

Hello Tobi.

I'm testing a 300W halogen lamp with adapter GX 6:35 in a 500 BX IR strobe. And all is run ok, working perfectly. Here the voltage is 220V. In a voltage of 110V, the maximum that could be used would be 200-250W, because the capacity of the fuse (2,5A):

250W / 110V = 2.72A

300W / 220V = 1.36A

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Jan 16, 2012 19:37 |  #177

carlosmay wrote in post #13715890 (external link)
Hello Tobi.

I'm testing a 300W halogen lamp with adapter GX 6:35 in a 500 BX IR strobe. And all is run ok, working perfectly. Here the voltage is 220V. In a voltage of 110V, the maximum that could be used would be 200-250W, because the capacity of the fuse (2,5A):

250W / 110V = 2.72A

300W / 220V = 1.36A

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Hi Carlos

Please keep us posted on how this continues to work.

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Jan 16, 2012 19:43 |  #178

Hi Ralph,

Yes, I came here to report how things are going for you.
I researched widely across the Internet before I decide to do this, but nobody had done. At least I have not found reports.

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Jan 16, 2012 21:47 |  #179

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Jan 16, 2012 22:15 |  #180

carlosmay wrote in post #13716105 (external link)
Hi Ralph,

Yes, I came here to report how things are going for you.
I researched widely across the Internet before I decide to do this, but nobody had done. At least I have not found reports.

Thank's

Good to know

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