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Dec 19, 2011 00:02 |  #1

OK, so I've got two different methods of calibrating my monitor and they both basically agree with each other.

The problem is, they don't agree with my cameras. Let me explain.

My monitor is an Eizo S2433W. I have two color calibrators, a Huey Pro, and an Eye One Display LT.

Use of both color calibrators yields the same results in terms of how the screen looks. I'll describe the use of the Eye One, since its use is more elaborate.

With that calibrator, you can actually use it to set the whitepoint of the monitor. I like this better than the Huey, which simply sets up the LUT of the card. I use the RGB gain controls of the monitor to set the whitepoint, and with that and contrast set, I can get something that's pretty close to properly calibrated (according to both calibrators).

But here's the problem:


  1. In order to get the white point set to something that the Eye One thinks is 6500K, I have to use an RGB gain of 74% for red, 80% for green, and 100% for blue. In fact, if I use the color temperature feature instead, even cranking it up to 10K doesn't quite get me 6500K according to the calibrator.
  2. Here's the real test, and where I think calibration is just outright failing. If I set my camera's white balance to 6500K and take a picture of the screen filled with white, the end result is something that the histogram says is shifted towards blue. In fact, the color temperature in the camera that gets me an even red/green/blue in the histogram is 7500K.


In fact, both of my cameras (a 7D and a 50D) agree on this: "neutral" white balance of "white" on the calibrated screen is achieved at 7500K. To achieve a 6500K white according to my cameras, I have to use gain values of 80% red, 81% green, and 100% blue.

So the question is: are the color calibrators right, or are my cameras right? And why would they disagree by so much, and yet be consistent with each other within a given device type?


For what it's worth, the "calibrated" display looks to have a cold tint to it, even after I've settled into using it that way for a while. That, too, tells me that my color calibrators are incorrect, but why would both of them be incorrect in exactly the same way?

Note, too, that this is true of multiple computers attached to the same display, so it's independent of the video card as well. The only thing that's common to all of this is the monitor.

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Dec 19, 2011 18:53 |  #2

Could someone here set their camera to a white balance of 6500K, bring up an empty window with a white background (notepad on Windows or textedit on the Mac), maximize the window, and then take a picture of the white portion of the screen, and tell me if the histogram shows equal levels of red, green, and blue? I would think it should if the screen is really calibrated for D65. Just make sure your shutter speed is 1/30 of a second or slower so that you make sure you don't capture any flicker from the fluorescent tubes that provide the display's backlighting.

If the histogram shows a bluish cast when you do that, could you try again with the camera's white balance set to 7500K?


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Dec 20, 2011 02:57 |  #3

kcbrown wrote in post #13570769 (external link)
Could someone here set their camera to a white balance of 6500K, bring up an empty window with a white background (notepad on Windows or textedit on the Mac), maximize the window, and then take a picture of the white portion of the screen, and tell me if the histogram shows equal levels of red, green, and blue?

Nope.
Uneven screen (even in the VF) and greenish/warm cast according to the histogram.
5500K is better, 5000K is blue (but the only on where G and B spike are even)

I'd guess it might also depend on picture style used… I use Neutral.


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Dec 20, 2011 06:49 |  #4

René Damkot wrote in post #13572436 (external link)
Nope.
Uneven screen (even in the VF) and greenish/warm cast according to the histogram.
5500K is better, 5000K is blue (but the only on where G and B spike are even)

I'd guess it might also depend on picture style used… I use Neutral.

Same here. I used Neutral. But is your screen color calibrated to a D65 whitepoint? If so, what calibration system did you use?


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Dec 28, 2011 14:53 |  #5

Oops. Missed your reply.

Eizo CG223W, calibrated to 6500K, 95Cd/m^2, native gamut, using the Eizo software and a DTP-94 (not ideal for wide gamut screens apparently, but I haven't had time to test alternatives)


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Dec 28, 2011 22:45 as a reply to  @ René Damkot's post |  #6

I've noticed the same issue with 3 different calibration pucks. DTP94, i1 Display Pro 3 and the i1 Pro Photo. They all give different readings, even though they're specified for a certain cd/m2 and 6500 white balance.

Interestingly enough, if I cal with the DTP94 and then set a 1dm4 for 6500k, the histograms match rgb perfectly. This is of course with no lens in front of the camera as the lens itself will introduce color casts and they're not absolutely neutral. (Refer to Canon lens work III, they mention that their lenses are "warmish")

I'm using a different monitor, NEC 2690wuxi2 and their dedicated Spectraview software. Their software supports the i1D3, i1 Pro and the DTP94 as well as the colormunki and a few others.




  
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