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Is 2x III extender sharper than the II version.

 
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Dec 20, 2011 11:04 |  #1

Thinking about getting the 2x III to use on my 70-200 2.8 and 300f4, can anyone tell me from personal experience if it's any sharper than the previous version? Thanks!!


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Dec 20, 2011 12:03 |  #2

Yes it is but I can't speak for the lenses you have listed. I have used mine on my 70-200 f 2.8 Mk II and on my 300mm f 2.8 and get excellent results, better than the previous version 2X. Keep in mind that if you use the 2X on your 300mm f4 you will wind up with an f8 lens and it will not AF on your 5d II.


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Dec 20, 2011 12:53 |  #3

According to SLRgear.com it is only sharper at the edges and in the corners. A German test confirmed that too (Traumflieger). The III version however has way better CA control.


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Dec 20, 2011 14:30 |  #4

Yes, there are a couple of tests on the net I've seen that go into great detail on this TC.
Here's a couple I had bookmarked

http://www.the-digital-picture.com …der-EF-2x-III-Review.aspx (external link)

and another

http://www.traumfliege​r.de …/telekonverter_​canon3.php (external link)

these are the two best I've found.




  
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Dec 20, 2011 15:35 |  #5

Larry Weinman wrote in post #13574126 (external link)
Yes it is but I can't speak for the lenses you have listed. I have used mine on my 70-200 f 2.8 Mk II and on my 300mm f 2.8 and get excellent results, better than the previous version 2X. Keep in mind that if you use the 2X on your 300mm f4 you will wind up with an f8 lens and it will not AF on your 5d II.

Thanks for the info! Do you know if the 300 will AF on my 7d?


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Dec 20, 2011 15:49 |  #6

the f/2.8 version would, but not the f/4 version.

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Thanks for the info! Do you know if the 300 will AF on my 7d?


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Dec 20, 2011 16:14 |  #7

so a 50 1.4 with an extender gives me a 100 f2.8 huh? never thought of that...


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Dec 20, 2011 17:10 |  #8

orena wrote in post #13575322 (external link)
so a 50 1.4 with an extender gives me a 100 f2.8 huh? never thought of that...

Ya, but you're going to amplify any IQ issues the 50 1.4 has.


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Dec 20, 2011 17:26 |  #9

After getting my 70-200 f/2.8 II, I also wanted a set of extenders. And even though the digital picture review (external link) sighted above mentioned:

Results with the Extender 2x III are overall slightly sharper than the Extender 2x II with a difference being most noticeable in the mid-frame and corner areas. The 2x II added pincushion distortion to the lens it was used with whereas the 2x version III adds slight barrel distortion.

Anomalous dispersion glass elements are used in the Series III extenders to reduce chromatic aberration and increase resolution and contrast. The Extender 2x II did not have an issue with CA and neither does the III.

The Extender 2x III has Canon’s Super Spectra coating for reduced ghosting and flare. The front and rear elements have Canon's fluorine anti-smear coating - making them very easy to clean.

I could not justify the price difference. The primary advantage (IMHO) of the IIIs over the IIs, and I suspect the more significant reason for the large price difference, is the improved AF when paired with the new 'Super' telephotos. Also from that same review:

Not available as I create the Canon EF 2x III Extender review are the announced:
Canon EF 300mm f/2.8 L IS II USM Lens,
Canon EF 400mm f/2.8 L IS II USM Lens,
Canon EF 500mm f/4 L IS II USM Lens and
Canon EF 600mm f/4 L IS II USM Lens.
Improvements in the Series III extenders promise to perform especially well on these specific lenses.

A microcomputer integrated into the Series III Extenders promises faster autofocusing and increased AF precision when used with the Canon IS Supertelephoto Series II lenses mentioned above and (I expect) all future compatible lenses. Better optical quality is also expected.

Note that "AF precision remains the same as the Series II Extenders when the Series III Extenders are used with earlier extender-compatible EF lenses." [Canon] I did not notice any differences in this regard.

I recall from the press release when the IIIs were announced, that AF capabilities of the IIIs when paired with a lens that was not on that list (i.e., that predated that list) would be identical to that of the IIs.

Since none of those lenses will be finding their way into my kit anytime soon, I have a set of the IIs.


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Dec 20, 2011 22:53 |  #10

Per Canon, the "improved AF precision" of the Mark III teleconverters is accomplished by slowing down AF by about 25%.

With any 2X on 300/4, the lens becomes an effective 600mm f8 and will not auto focus on either 7D or 5DII.

The shortest lens you can fit any of the Canon teleconverters to is the 135/2. The Canon TCs have a protruding front element and physically cannot be mounted to shorter focal lengths. Won't work on the 50/1.4.

The 2X III seems particularly well matched to the 70-200/2.8 IS Mark II. I wouldn't expect it to work as well with the original 70-200/2.8, but the 1.4X II does (and I suspect the Mark III would, too).


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Dec 20, 2011 23:48 |  #11

Has anyone actually tried to AF on either of those bodies? I've managed to get my camera to AF at f/11 (stacked converters), even though it's not supposed to AF at anything slower than f/8...just saying :)


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Dec 21, 2011 01:43 |  #12

amfoto1 wrote in post #13577110 (external link)
With any 2X on 300/4, the lens becomes an effective 600mm f8 and will not auto focus on either 7D or 5DII.

The 2X III seems particularly well matched to the 70-200/2.8 IS Mark II.

Thank you amfoto1, That was very helpful!!


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Dec 21, 2011 01:48 |  #13

Yes it is sharper and has been giving me great results on my 70-200 2.8 II. IMO it is giving me sharper images than my Canon 100-400 and the reason why I bought it.
It is great paired with the 70-200 2.8 II and i would recommend it to someone looking for more reach without loosing too much sharpness.


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Dec 21, 2011 04:13 |  #14

amfoto1 wrote in post #13577110 (external link)
Per Canon, the "improved AF precision" of the Mark III teleconverters is accomplished by slowing down AF by about 25%.

This is not as big a deal as you might expect, especially with longer lenses and farther focus distances where the focus group has less distance to travel compared with shorter lenses.

The shortest lens you can fit any of the Canon teleconverters to is the 135/2.

Wrong - it fits various TS-E lenses just fine, including the TS-E 17mm and the TS-E 90mm f/2.8 (though sharpness with the 90mm seemed lacking, with the 2X Mark III).

It'll be interesting to compare the performance of the TS-E 17mm with 2X III TC to the TS 35mm f/2.8 S.S.C. adapted to EF mount.




  
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Dec 21, 2011 06:47 |  #15

Edwin Herdman wrote in post #13577816 (external link)
Wrong - it fits various TS-E lenses just fine, including the TS-E 17mm and the TS-E 90mm f/2.8 (though sharpness with the 90mm seemed lacking, with the 2X Mark III).

And the MP-E65

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