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RDWP wrote in post #19144423
My last ride on an Air Canada 747 . From the upper deck, leaving Vancouver international (CYVR) 2003. AC retired them in 2004.

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Oh. man, you're makin' me sad...I feel so sorry to see the 747 gone as a passenger plane. Her legacy lives on though, and there seem to be many in service as freighters, so there's that.

Yeah - miss them too. Below, inside view same flight. Maybe not as fancy as a Dreamliner but those guys had real oomph. Especially for the time they came on line in the '60s.

RDWP wrote in post #19144653
Yeah - miss them too. Below, inside view same flight. Maybe not as fancy as a Dreamliner but those guys had real oomph. Especially for the time they came on line in the '60s.

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The 747's are on their way out? I had not heard that. I never had the pleasure to ride in one of them. Best I could do was a 737 which is nothing like I see in your image. I feel like a sardine in a 737.

Inspeqtor wrote in post #19144683
The 747's are on their way out? I had not heard that. I never had the pleasure to ride in one of them. Best I could do was a 737 which is nothing like I see in your image. I feel like a sardine in a 737.

Oh yes, no comparison. The 747's main cabin (i.e., the main deck) has two aisles, with (IIRC) 3-4-3 seating in most configurations, along most of the fuselage. It feels like a long way across from one side of the A/C to the other - because it is! An amazing aircraft in so many ways. On board, it really felt like you were taking a trans-atlantic sea voyage, more than a plane trip. The aircraft even had a designated "purser" among the large flight crew, like an ocean liner would have, at least on the times that I flew on her, from the US to Europe.

Inspeqtor wrote in post #19144683
The 747's are on their way out? I had not heard that. I never had the pleasure to ride in one of them. Best I could do was a 737 which is nothing like I see in your image. I feel like a sardine in a 737.

Have seen some at the gate at various airports (e.g. Lufthansa?) in recent years but a lot have been converted (e.g. the Dreamlifter"!) or in storage. Found this list: https://en.wikipedia.o​rg …t_of_Boeing_747​_operators. Appears that the biggest operators by the numbers now are Atlas and UPS.

TustinMike wrote in post #19144805
Oh yes, no comparison. The 747's main cabin (i.e., the main deck) has two aisles, with (IIRC) 3-4-3 seating in most configurations, along most of the fuselage. It feels like a long way across from one side of the A/C to the other - because it is! An amazing aircraft in so many ways. On board, it really felt like you were taking a trans-atlantic sea voyage, more than a plane trip. The aircraft even had a designated "purser" among the large flight crew, like an ocean liner would have, at least on the times that I flew on her, from the US to Europe.

What is IIRC? I understand the 3-4-3 is the seating arrangement and what is A/C? What is replacing the 747?

Thank you very much!

I don't remember the IIRC, but A/C is aircraft.

I flew out to Melborne in 1988 to visit sis and brother-in-law. Out on a Thai 747 and back on a Quaintass 747. I had my 2 children with me, 9 and 6 year olds. On the way back I asked if it would be possible to take them up onto the flight deck, you could in those days. And the stewardess came back and siad the skipper was quite happy with that but only for a short while as the crew were obviously busy. 14 hours of feet up is not what I would call busy! But we went up there. It was very much like the VC10 and I got talking to the flt engineer and he asked me if I needed and explanations? I told him how long I had been a e;eky on the VC10s and he let me get on with it saying that I probably knew more about it than he did, with a broad Aussie smile. we were up there for about 40 minutes before my 2 started to get a bit bored and we left with hand shakes all rounf from the crew. The flight crew were fantastic with mt 2 and we got some quite special treatment.

IIRC= If I Remember Correctly. An excellent book on the 747 is "747" by Joe Sutter who led the engineering team on the 747 from original concepts to FAA certification. A great read.

Dan

Jonzjob wrote in post #19144868
I don't remember the IIRC, but A/C is aircraft.

I flew out to Melbourne in 1988 to visit sis and brother-in-law. Out on a Thai 747 and back on a Quantas 747. I had my 2 children with me, 9 and 6 year old. On the way back I asked if it would be possible to take them up onto the flight deck, you could in those days. And the stewardess came back and said the skipper was quite happy with that but only for a short while as the crew were obviously busy. 14 hours of feet up is not what I would call busy! But we went up there. It was very much like the VC10 and I got talking to the flight engineer and he asked me if I needed any explanations? I told him how long I had been a e;eky on the VC10s and he let me get on with it saying that I probably knew more about it than he did, with a broad Aussie smile. we were up there for about 40 minutes before my 2 started to get a bit bored and we left with hand shakes all round from the crew. The flight crew were fantastic with my 2 and we got some quite special treatment.

You almost had "IIRC" correct according to bergmen's post below yours!

That was cool you got to go in the cockpit "back in the day" when that was possible! You obviously know plane jargon as you got the flight crew interested. I do not know the "word" e;eky What did you mean to spell?

Thank you very much for this very interesting story!

Inspeqtor wrote in post #19144822
What is replacing the 747?

Thank you very much!

An array of newer aircraft have replaced the 747 - I'd say one of the earlier successors would have been the Boeing 777, but Airbus has also provided numerous models, most notably the A-380 - and more recently the Boeing 787 (aka the Dreamliner) seems to be more and more popular.

Inspeqtor wrote in post #19144822
What is IIRC? I understand the 3-4-3 is the seating arrangement and what is A/C? What is replacing the 747?

Thank you very much!

The 777 holds nearly the same number of people, but needs only 2 engines (greatly reduced maintenance costs), The engines are probably more efficient, too, so there is fuel savings.

The A380 was mentioned in another post, but that is on the way out, too. COVID seems to be accelerating the phase-out.

The 787 isn't a direct replacement for the 747, having about 100 fewer seats than the 777. It's intended for "Long, thin" routes, which are long distance flights with fewer passengers than a 747 or 777 would justify. This allows direct routes to many destinations with fewer, or no, intermediate stops. It displaces a 747 or A380 by bypassing some of the international hubs. For example, direct flights from Denver to Frankfurt, London, or Heathrow are feasible now. Prior to the 787, passengers would go from Denver to San Francisco or Chicago and take a jumbo to those places. Denver otherwise doesn't have the population to support direct jumbo flights.

Inspeqtor wrote in post #19144903
You almost had "IIRC" correct according to bergmen's post below yours!

That was cool you got to go in the cockpit "back in the day" when that was possible! You obviously know plane jargon as you got the flight crew interested. I do not know the "word" e;eky What did you mean to spell?

Thank you very much for this very interesting story!

Oh that? That was my dislequsique keybaord. It's almays geting things rong. Just as well that I never make mastikes though init already

My other excuse is that it is how we used to say electrician when the seme colun, ';', is next to the 'l' key?

Capn Jack wrote in post #19144988
The 777 holds nearly the same number of people, but needs only 2 engines (greatly reduced maintenance costs), The engines are probably more efficient, too, so there is fuel savings.

The A380 was mentioned in another post, but that is on the way out, too. COVID seems to be accelerating the phase-out.

The 787 isn't a direct replacement for the 747, having about 100 fewer seats than the 777. It's intended for "Long, thin" routes, which are long distance flights with fewer passengers than a 747 or 777 would justify. This allows direct routes to many destinations with fewer, or no, intermediate stops. It displaces a 747 or A380 by bypassing some of the international hubs. For example, direct flights from Denver to Frankfurt, London, or Heathrow are feasible now. Prior to the 787, passengers would go from Denver to San Francisco or Chicago and take a jumbo to those places. Denver otherwise doesn't have the population to support direct jumbo flights.

I completely agree - the 747 was designed and originally built a very long time ago - the late 1960s, when travel and the world were very different from today. And the 747 was a big influence on the way that travel has changed since. Airlines, ever looking to reduce costs, demand more efficient, more versatile aircraft.

Superseded is probably a better word than replaced.

As other have said, planes like the 747 and A380 are being retired and/or phased because of the fuel cost of running four engines vs. two over the same distance.

Another reason, which Boeing figured out long before Airbus did, is airlines were abandoning the spoke-and-hub route system in favor of the point-to-point routes so smaller twins (think A321) are more efficient/economical over those shorter flights which by defintion carry fewer people. Boeing was going to build a competitor to the A380 but abandon it when they figured that out.

Some shots from the first 747. It was used for a lot of testing thus the stripped interior.

Jonzjob wrote in post #19145019
Oh that? That was my dislequsique keybaord. It's almays geting things rong. Just as well that I never make mastikes though init already

My other excuse is that it is how we used to say electrician when the seme colun, ';', is next to the 'l' key?

LOL! LOL!! LOL!!!

In my original quote from you I did fix several of your typos, many I do myself, but I try to check everything I type before clicking on the Submit button!