5D Mark II vs. 1Dx vs. 1D mark IV

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theoubobcat wrote in post #13580953
That's correct. I shoot cycling races with my 1dmarkIII. Considering this scenario that you shoot the race to sell them to the athletes. You aren't just trying to capture one or 2 to sell them to newspapers or magazines. The race is a long circuit race looping 5 laps. You already know that you only have 5 chances to nail the shots. The peleton would quickly pass you within 4 sec. In theory, shooting at 10 fps, you can nail 40 shots of the athletes in each lap. In 5 laps, you would have 200 shots. Of course, you will miss focus on some. Others may be not as good. Your keeper ratio will quickly drop down to 50% if you are lucky, 100 keepers.

Shooting with a slower body, your keeper ratio would be even less.

You are right, there are two different mindsets for the various markets.

I don't like spraying and praying, as you have described. I don't want to come home with a thousand images hoping I snagged a hundred good ones. I'd rather shoot a different angle or a different rider than what everyone else is. I'd rather shoot 400 frames and come home with 5 great images.

If you had said you use 10 fps in short bursts (2-3 frames at a time) to capture slight differences, I would be able to agree with you. By the sound of it though, you're talking about laying down the shutter button and praying for something good.

The 1Dx isn't going to fit my current budget, and I wanted to upgrade now. How far do you really think the 1D4's price will go down?

The 1Dx won't be available for 3 months, and even at that point, it will be hard to get your hands on it.

Also, the 1D4 won't be affected that much, many people want the 1.3 crop factor, and the AF at f8. Finally the price difference is too great to have that kind of effect on the 1D4.

There will be maybe a 10% reduction in used 1D4 prices starting in March. Just a personal prediction having watched releases over the years.

? $1200 in 10 years time

I guess I should have asked this before, but how is the video quality of the 1d4? I've been shooting some video jobs recently and do love the FF/DOF of the 5D2.

LowriderS10 wrote in post #13581860
Why? With the 1Dx being so close to being out, it's the worst time to buy a 1D4 for two reasons:

1: When the 1Dx comes out, it might be the most amazing piece of metal and plastic to hit the shelves in years and you'll regret not going for that instead of the 1D4.
2: When the 1Dx comes out, the 1D4's price will go down.

Actually,, NO on both accounts.

Try to get a used low count 1D4 right now. These cameras will hold value until canon determines what they are going to put in its line up to fill that 5k Void when they stop making the 1.3 format. If the new camera is as good as a 1DMKIV, then it will likely drop. If they dress up a 5D3 put some bells and whistles on it and try to fill that price point,, 1DMKIV will hold value better than most on the market.

umphotography wrote in post #13581899
Actually,, NO on both accounts.

Try to get a used low count 1D4 right now. These cameras will hold value until canon determines what they are going to put in its line up to fill that 5k Void when they stop making the 1.3 format. If the new camera is as good as a 1DMKIV, then it will likely drop. If they dress up a 5D3 put some bells and whistles on it and try to fill that price point,, 1DMKIV will hold value better than most on the market.

The 5D III will certainly fill that void but, expect to pay above 3K or close to 4K.

Right around $3499...

TeamSpeed wrote in post #13581916
Right around $3499...

Thanks Canon R&D.

jdizzle wrote in post #13581905
The 5D III will certainly fill that void but, expect to pay above 3K or close to 4K.

Depends on the AF system.....do you think they will put a 19 point 7D system in it and risk loosing sales for the 1Dx..........i dont think so.

I think it will be a completely new body....time will tell

umphotography wrote in post #13581923
Depends on the AF system.....do you think they will put a 19 point 7D system in it and risk loosing sales for the 1Dx..........i dont think so.

I think it will be a completely new body....time will tell

I have a feeling that Canon will not put the AF that people want. So, the only way to have that reliability is to go for the 1D X.

umphotography wrote in post #13581899
Actually,, NO on both accounts.

Try to get a used low count 1D4 right now. These cameras will hold value until canon determines what they are going to put in its line up to fill that 5k Void when they stop making the 1.3 format. If the new camera is as good as a 1DMKIV, then it will likely drop. If they dress up a 5D3 put some bells and whistles on it and try to fill that price point,, 1DMKIV will hold value better than most on the market.

I don't get it, you said "NO on both accounts" then you backpedal and say "well if it's as good as the 1D4, then yes." Look back at the 1D-series...each and every iteration has been an improvement over the last and I see no reason for that to stop with the 1Dx.

It WILL be better than the 1D4 and many people (professionals and well-off amateurs) will want the latest and greatest, taking away from the 1D4's market and, as is always the case when demand diminishes, driving the price down. The 1D4's price won't go down the day the 1Dx hits the shelves, but I have no doubt that within months you will see a significant downward trend...and then the price will stabilize again. That's how 1Ds have always been. They do hold their value well, but each time a new generation is introduced they take a hit...then they hold again until a new generation. My 1D3 is worth exactly as much as it was worth when I bought it 14 months ago...why? Because nothing has happened. The initial price of the 1D3 took a dive when the 1D4 was introduced and then sort of reached an equilibrium, where it's been chilling ever since. I'm fully expecting my camera's value to drop somewhat (though not as significantly as when the 1D4 was introduced) when the 1Dx comes out.

So here's the next question...

Found a guy on Fred Miranda who will sell me his 1d4 w/3500 actuations, mint condition, for my 5D2, plus $2200.

My question is this... I'm hesitant to pay that kind of money for a used item. Should I save the 800 bucks and do it that way or keep my new order from Adorama? Deal above almost seems too good.

LowriderS10 wrote in post #13582036
I don't get it, you said "NO on both accounts" then you backpedal and say "well if it's as good as the 1D4, then yes." Look back at the 1D-series...each and every iteration has been an improvement over the last and I see no reason for that to stop with the 1Dx.

It WILL be better than the 1D4 and many people (professionals and well-off amateurs) will want the latest and greatest, taking away from the 1D4's market and, as is always the case when demand diminishes, driving the price down. The 1D4's price won't go down the day the 1Dx hits the shelves, but I have no doubt that within months you will see a significant downward trend...and then the price will stabilize again. That's how 1Ds have always been. They do hold their value well, but each time a new generation is introduced they take a hit...then they hold again until a new generation. My 1D3 is worth exactly as much as it was worth when I bought it 14 months ago...why? Because nothing has happened. The initial price of the 1D3 took a dive when the 1D4 was introduced and then sort of reached an equilibrium, where it's been chilling ever since. I'm fully expecting my camera's value to drop somewhat (though not as significantly as when the 1D4 was introduced) when the 1Dx comes out.

I can't complaing to be honest. The 1D IV and 1Ds III has jacked up in price over the last few months. The 1Ds III was going for as low as $3400 used. With the 1D X announced, it has people frantically chasing the 1D IV and 1Ds III only bcoz' Canon is merging the 1D lines. It's shocking to even think that.

LowriderS10 wrote in post #13582036
I don't get it, you said "NO on both accounts" then you backpedal and say "well if it's as good as the 1D4, then yes." Look back at the 1D-series...each and every iteration has been an improvement over the last and I see no reason for that to stop with the 1Dx.

It WILL be better than the 1D4 and many people (professionals and well-off amateurs) will want the latest and greatest, taking away from the 1D4's market and, as is always the case when demand diminishes, driving the price down. The 1D4's price won't go down the day the 1Dx hits the shelves, but I have no doubt that within months you will see a significant downward trend...and then the price will stabilize again. That's how 1Ds have always been. They do hold their value well, but each time a new generation is introduced they take a hit...then they hold again until a new generation. My 1D3 is worth exactly as much as it was worth when I bought it 14 months ago...why? Because nothing has happened. The initial price of the 1D3 took a dive when the 1D4 was introduced and then sort of reached an equilibrium, where it's been chilling ever since. I'm fully expecting my camera's value to drop somewhat (though not as significantly as when the 1D4 was introduced) when the 1Dx comes out.

You are correct when you talk about the same format 1D models, the 1D4 was a direct successor to the 1D3. The 1DX is a FF where Canon is announcing the end of the APS-H format. The impacts on the 1D4 prices will be subdued.