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How do the newest crop of mirror less SLR's compare to a T3i or likeness?

 
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Dec 26, 2011 20:36 |  #1

Just wandering how these stack up. Everybody just seems to review based on type of camera. If anybody has any sight with some comparisons or opinions to share I would appreciate it.

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Dec 26, 2011 21:04 |  #2

Dpreview has comparison shots. Some of the Panasonic and Sony cameras match up very well. Nex7 is as good or better camera then the T3i. However, it costs twice as much.


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Dec 26, 2011 21:26 |  #3

Also the mirror less cameras are great for adapting lenses. The NEX E mount can take any lens made. If your into movie making, this makes those cameras outstanding.

I think one of the best movie making photo cameras for the price, is the Panasonic Lumix DMC-GH2. It allows for any lens you can think of to be mounted to it, and there are 3rd party firmwares that greatly enhance it's movie making capabilities.


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Dec 26, 2011 21:31 |  #4

The Sony NEX cameras are good except they have little in the way of great glass.

If you don't mind manual focus etc.... then the NEX 7 would be the way to go BUT the camera really does not give you anything versus a conventional dSLR, imo.

A solution in search of a problem, imo.


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Dec 26, 2011 22:25 |  #5

bohdank wrote in post #13602602 (external link)
A solution in search of a problem, imo.

the problem is size. Size cost more to make, and makes cameras less accessible. Cell phone cameras are going to make compacts pointless in the next 5-10 years. I think cameras like the Sony's are in the perfect position to cover the gap between phones, and dlsr's


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Dec 26, 2011 22:30 |  #6

Then we should have this discussion in 5 years :-)

I don't plan that far in advance.


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Dec 27, 2011 04:45 |  #7

Here is a succinct article

http://www.dpreview.co​m …rrorless-cameras-a-primer (external link)

however I think the contrast AF of the latest models is better than the article leads us to believe


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Dec 27, 2011 15:48 |  #8

The GH2 is probably the most highly regarded mirrorless out there right now. In general, the GH2 and NEX series are rated as arguably better at video than Canon DSLRs, and picture quality equal or not far behind.
Mirrorless cameras have really been picking up a lot of attention in the past 2 yrs and as a result manufacturers have increased the quality.


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Dec 27, 2011 20:39 |  #9

bohdank wrote in post #13602885 (external link)
Then we should have this discussion in 5 years :-)

I don't plan that far in advance.

A lot of times, I can't even plan for that many days in advance [Instead of years]. Most of the time, it seems like I might actually be able to plan that many hours in advance, but not even that always.


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Dec 27, 2011 22:57 as a reply to  @ wayne.robbins's post |  #10

I've owned or own the Panasonic G3 (which has latest/greatest m4/3s sensor) the T1i and the 60D. The only thing the G3 does better is amateur video due to decent AF. The 60D is a better tool for pro video (I think; I'm not a pro).

If you are talking stills then I think that either Canon is in a different class from an IQ standpoint. It's tough to overcome the larger sensor and better control of DOF. Better/faster AF as well, so if you are shooting action the Canons are way out in front.

From an ergonomics standpoint the gap is even wider IMO. G3 has built in EVF and flip screen, but for me was horrible to handle and use. The T1i was much more enjoyable, and the 60D even more so.

The only way that the G3 would win out for me is if using vintage MF lenses was a top priority. Lots of old glass is easily adaptable to m4/3s, and with well-implemented Live View they are easy to focus and use. As for standard lenses, m4/3s has a growing line up and some very nice options, but falls way short with regard to any sort of decently fast zooms.


  
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Dec 27, 2011 23:32 |  #11

wayne.robbins wrote in post #13607368 (external link)
A lot of times, I can't even plan for that many days in advance [Instead of years]. Most of the time, it seems like I might actually be able to plan that many hours in advance, but not even that always.

lol, me too.

However I am not Sony, or am I trying to make a camera ecosystem. I am sure they plan 5-10 years in advance.

I know for other technologies (gaming and TV's) they do.


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Dec 28, 2011 03:01 as a reply to  @ mafoo's post |  #12

Resolution wise, I would say at low ISO the GH2-2 betters the 60d

http://www.dpreview.co​m …anasonicDMCGH2/​page20.asp (external link)

just have a look at the detail in the coins at the back

I was amazed at the detail you can get out of the smaller sensor and the normal 14-140mm lens

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Dec 28, 2011 09:48 |  #13

Id say hands down the nex-5n is the best buy of the bunch. This is taking into account that you arent seriously trying to learn, work or do paid gigs with one. The lens selection will hold you back. But the nex-5n has the d7000 sensor and in my tests even bests it in high ISO tests. The 7d cant even compare to how noise free the nex-5n is at 6400-12800 iso. The manual focus on the nex-5n is a breeze, and the video with an external mic is sharper (18-55 vs 18-55) ((mic to get rid of the clicking)). Just go on youtube and search the reviews and the video tests. Im considering getting rid of the 7d I never use to build a nice nex-5n setup as a walk around. I all ready have a bunch of manual FD lenses to mount and the image quality is phenomenal with them. Heck just search nex-5n on flickr.

Build quality on the rebels/low end nikons are a joke in comparison to the metal bodies and lenses of the nex line as well. But if you need a more capable dslr with a widely proven lens lineup you still cant best any dslr platform. But if you allready have a dslr setup and just want a smaller yet awesome walk around - Nex-5n all the way.

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Dec 28, 2011 10:34 |  #14

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Id say hands down the nex-5n is the best buy of the bunch. This is taking into account that you arent seriously trying to learn, work or do paid gigs with one. The lens selection will hold you back. But the nex-5n has the d7000 sensor and in my tests even bests it in high ISO tests. The 7d cant even compare to how noise free the nex-5n is at 6400-12800 iso. The manual focus on the nex-5n is a breeze, and the video with an external mic is sharper (18-55 vs 18-55) ((mic to get rid of the clicking)). Just go on youtube and search the reviews and the video tests. Im considering getting rid of the 7d I never use to build a nice nex-5n setup as a walk around. I all ready have a bunch of manual FD lenses to mount and the image quality is phenomenal with them. Heck just search nex-5n on flickr.

Build quality on the rebels/low end nikons are a joke in comparison to the metal bodies and lenses of the nex line as well. But if you need a more capable dslr with a widely proven lens lineup you still cant best any dslr platform. But if you allready have a dslr setup and just want a smaller yet awesome walk around - Nex-5n all the way.

http://www.stevehuffph​oto.com/tag/nex-5n/ (external link)

The lens selection is only an issue if you limit yourself to autofocus lenses. If you don't mine manual focus, you can connect considerably more lenses to an NEX then you can a Canon EF mount camera.

Aslo, I think if you set it to manual, you can "learn" as much on it as you can with a DSLR.


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Dec 28, 2011 13:11 |  #15

mafoo wrote in post #13609828 (external link)
The lens selection is only an issue if you limit yourself to autofocus lenses. If you don't mine manual focus, you can connect considerably more lenses to an NEX then you can a Canon EF mount camera.

Aslo, I think if you set it to manual, you can "learn" as much on it as you can with a DSLR.

Yup as stated in my above post that manual focus lenses are super easy to use on an NEX system. And yes you can learn just as much but the platform is much different than what most photography lessons will show you as far as control layout. But the overall system works pretty much the same as any other dslr in full manual.


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