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I have a Canon EOS 40D and need a macro lens but have no idea where to start

 
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Dec 29, 2011 10:52 |  #1

Hi,
Currently I have a 28-135mm on a Canon EOS40D.

I'm a little confused because I see that wide angle lenses are usually 21-35mm, 35-70mm is "normal" photograpy, and medium telephoto is 70-135mm according to http://www.cambridgein​colour.com/tutorials/c​amera-lenses.htm (external link)

So where to macro lenses fall in? I want a dedicated macro lens but I have no idea about any of this, I thought a bigger mm number meant better macro ability but now I'm confused because the website says it is considered telephoto, which isn't macro.

Can someone help? I also don't know where to buy a lens from, if anyone could recommend some websites.




  
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Dec 29, 2011 12:09 |  #2

A dedicated macro lens is a close-focusing lens, designed with a very short MFD. Some lenses, like the 35f/2 can focus within 2 feet, but dedicated macro lenses often focus within 6 inches.

Since you have a 40D, there are two lenses I would suggest:
the 60mm EF-S macro
and the 100mm EF 2.8 macro

The 60 is only usable on crop-sensor cameras, so don't pick it up if you're considering going full-frame. The 60 is lighter and easier to manage than the 100mm, but both have excellent optics. I decided on the EF 100mm f/2.8, myself. The 100mm is capable of 1:1 reproduction, but I'm not sure if the 60 is.

Lenses to avoid would probably include the old 50mm macro and option life-size converter, just because the 60mm is nearly the same price. Far more expensive options like the 100mm IS L macro and 180mm L macro would probably not be worth the investment unless you decide that you'd very much like to continue macro work. The macro-only MP-E 65 is also one to avoid until you're SUPER serious about macro photography.

As for where to buy? I've bought from Adorama, B&H and Abe's of Maine, and would recommend either of the first two.


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Dec 29, 2011 12:38 |  #3

The focal length of a macro lens is all about the working distance between your camera and the subject. It's not about the strength of the macro magnification. Most macro lenses today are 1:1, which means they'll focus close enough to render the subject lifesize. On your camera, that means you can photograph an object or area approx. 15mm x 22mm... full life size.

Shorter macro focal lengths (35mm, 50mm) put you pretty close.

Longer macro focal lengths (100mm and up) give you more room to work.

There are times you want to be close, such as when shooting tabletop studio stuff, so you can reach out and adjust the object you're photographing, while keeping your eye to the viewfinder.

And there are times you want to have more working distance, such as when photographing skittich small critters, anything that bites or stings... or to help prevent accidentally casting a shadow over your subject.

But, the longer the lens, the harder it is to hold steady. Depth of field is very shallow shooting macro, so you often have to use smaller apertures (f11, f16, maybe smaller though you risk diffraction causing lost of image quality). Smaller apertures mean even slower shutter speeds, making holding the camera steady even more challenging. Of course, to some degree you can offset this by increasing ISO... Or you can add light to the scene with a flash.

I usually recommend a 70mm to 105mm lens as a good, all around compromise when starting macre... but there are two good, general purpose 60mm, too, which will be more compact and might be long enough for a lot of folks, depending upon how high magnifcation they actually use and what sort of subjects they shoot. Even with these limitations, there are a lot of choices:

Canon EF-S 60mm f2.8 (this is a crop only lens)
Tamron SP 60mm f2.0 (unusually large max aperture, might be more useful doubling as a portrait lens).
Sigma 70mm f2.8
Tamron SP 90mm f2.8
Tokina 100mm f2.8
Canon 100mm f2.8 USM (technically discontinued, but still widely avail.)
Canon 100mm f2.8L IS (image stabilized, pricey)
Sigma 105mm f2.8 (recently discontinued, but might be avail.)
Sigma 105mm f2.8 OS (stabilized, a new model)

All these are 1:1 capable and have great image quality. How to choose between them? Look at all the features they offer, such as:

Choose a convenient focal length for your particular purposes.

Tripod mounting ring? It can be very handy. AFAIK, only avail. for the two Canon 100mm (a separately sold accessory, look on eBay for clones that are quite a bit cheaper than the OEM ring).

Internal Focus... makes the lens larger overall, but it doesn't change in length when focusing, so might balance better or give more consistent working distance (note... a macro lens has to move the focusing group a long, long way to go from infinity to 1:1). Note that IF lenses do "change focal length" when you focus them... The Canon 100mm, for example, is closer to a 70mm by the time it's focused all the way to 1:1 magnification.

Focus limiter.... This is a switch that restricts the focus within a certain range. It's probably more important if you want the lens to serve dual purpose, such as as a portrait or short telephoto lens some of the time, for non-macro shooting. The Canon 100mm lenses have a limiter. You'll have to check if the other lenses do.

USM (or similar) focus drive... This is faster than micro motor type focus drive. It's also quieter and can be more accurate in some cases. Often macro shooting is done using manual focus methods, so it might not be a super important factor unless using the lens for other, non-macro purposes. Canon's is USM. Some Sigma have similar HSM. And I think Tamron has recently started offering USD, which is similar.

I agree with Virto, the Canon MP-E 65mm probably would not be a good choice for someone just learning to shoot macro... It's an ultra high magnification, fully dedicated lens and starts where most macro lenses leave off, at 1:1 and goes up to 5:1 magnification, or five times life size. It's also strictly manual focus and would be largely a tripod-only lens. Part of the challenge working with this high magnification is that you are photographing things that can't be seen with the naked eye, so it's harder to find and compose your shots... But it can do really cool and amazing shots at very high magnifications!

I don't fully agree about the Canon EF 50mm macro... It's a 1:2 lens on it's own, which might be enough magnification for a lot of people. It's also very compact, compared to the other lenses. So, it might be a good choice for some people. And it can be used with a matched accessory to get to full 1:1... or could be used with universal macro extension tubes to increase its magnification, if needed.


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Dec 29, 2011 15:24 |  #4

amfoto1 wrote in post #13615671 (external link)
The focal length of a macro lens is all about the working distance between your camera and the subject. It's not about the strength of the macro magnification. Most macro lenses today are 1:1...............incr​ease its magnification, if needed.

Nicely summarized, you left out the Sigma 150 f/2.8 though. The non-OS can be had for pretty much the cost of the Canon 60 now days. The OS version is killer as it can also work very well as a medium tele.

There are varying degrees of macro, in my opinion, and that really drives the lens selection. IS the OP looking to photograph bugs and stuff, push in closer to flowers, get up close and personal with objects animate and inanimate?


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Dec 29, 2011 16:30 |  #5

If all you have is a 28-135 you are lacking in the wide end. I'd suggest a 17-50 or 55mm 2.8. A non O.S. Tamron or a Sigma can be found reasonably.

After that I think every new-ish shooter should have a Thrifty fifty, the 50mm 1.8II.




  
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Dec 29, 2011 17:09 |  #6

redneckwes wrote in post #13616826 (external link)
If all you have is a 28-135 you are lacking in the wide end. I'd suggest a 17-50 or 55mm 2.8. A non O.S. Tamron or a Sigma can be found reasonably.

After that I think every new-ish shooter should have a Thrifty fifty, the 50mm 1.8II.

Or just add a Canon 10-22 or Tokina 12-24.... along with the 28-135 you'll have more focal length coverage than most film shooters ever owned in their entire lives, back in the good/bad old days. The 28-135 is a good lens... USM, IS,mid-grade build quality, close focusing, EF so it's usable on both crop and full frame, good image quality (just a little soft at 135mm). It's a budget version of the 24-105L.

Since the OP is interested in a dedicated macro lens, something like the Tamron 60/2.0 might serve dual purpose, also taking the place of the 50/1.8. There's only 1/3 stop difference. Or, an f2.8 macro lens is a stop slower and would give less background blur at non-macro distances, but might work, too.

Personally I prefer around 90 or 100mm macro lens for general purpose, but a lot of folks like the 60mm focal length too.


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Dec 29, 2011 18:28 as a reply to  @ amfoto1's post |  #7

I've had a Tamron SP 90mm f2.8 Macro since 1999 (even before I started shooting digital.) You won't spend as much for it as you will for any of the Canon Macro lenses with the exception of the 60mm. The Tamron will also fit any full frame camera.

http://www.tamron.com …tolens/di_macro​/272e.html (external link)


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Dec 29, 2011 18:40 |  #8

Wow there's so much useful information here. I've been taking photos for years, but I have just never gotten around to actually understanding all of the camera jargon and have
been taking pictures at a basic level. I have a great book on the 40D and how to use it, but haven't yet. Reading all of this is really overwhelming, I know almost nothing about 'all these abbreviations and numbers.

All I know is that I want a macro lens for very closeup things - 6" away or so.

I'm going to read up on all of these posts and try my best to understand it and will get back to you all in a day or so.

Thanks so much for the help, I really, really appreciate it!!




  
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Dec 29, 2011 19:00 |  #9

amfoto1 wrote in post #13615671 (external link)
Canon 100mm f2.8 USM (technically discontinued, but still widely avail.)

Really? I had no idea. I still see it on every canon website and no official mention of it being discontinued aside from people speculating because it had been removed from said websites, though now it seems it is back up there...


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Dec 29, 2011 19:45 |  #10

You want a lens capable of 1:1 reproduction.

The shorter the focal length, the closer you have to be to the subject to get 1:1.

I like the 180mm length because of the working distance, Tamron's 180mm Macro is about $700.

It doesn't have the IS of the Canon 100mm L Macro, but it has longer working distance and lower price tag.




  
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Dec 29, 2011 21:37 |  #11

I was hoping for more of a $200 price max, I forgot to mention...eek..not sure if that's even possible but..




  
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Dec 29, 2011 22:25 |  #12

another option that's much less expensive, is a extension tubes

http://www.bhphotovide​o.com …Macro_Extension​_Tube.html (external link)

You put these between your len and your camera, and it allows any lens to be a macro lens. You lose the ability to focus to infinity while the tube is on, but who cares. Here is a video on it.

http://www.youtube.com​/watch?v=Lg7Wm7qLPR0 (external link)

Just search youtube for extension tubes, and you can find a lot of info.


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Dec 30, 2011 00:11 |  #13

KeyToTheCosmos wrote in post #13618203 (external link)
I was hoping for more of a $200 price max, I forgot to mention...eek..not sure if that's even possible but..

That might get you a used Tamron

http://www.ebay.com …enses&hash=item​336ff81322 (external link)


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Dec 30, 2011 00:12 |  #14

Shameless plug for the Tamron 60 f/2. Great lens.


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Dec 30, 2011 01:06 |  #15

KeyToTheCosmos wrote in post #13618203 (external link)
I was hoping for more of a $200 price max, I forgot to mention...eek..not sure if that's even possible but..

You could look into old MF lenses. FD mount macro lenses are fine, because you can use a glassless adapter, which means no loss of quality. However, you will lose infinity focus, so it will literally be macro only. Upside is that they're within your price range. The canon 100/4 is about $100-$150, and there's a vivitar 100/3.5 at about $200-250. All you'd need then is an FD-EOS adapter with either no lens, or a removable lens. Those run about $30-40 I think? Alternatively there's the old tamron 90mm in adaptall mount, which is about $150-200, or various m42 mount ones.


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