D800

at least the 5Dmk2 used prices will be low with everyone selling. Since in nearly every thread comparing the 5D2 to _____________. the majority of users say they print BIG, SUPER BIG and it's all about the megapixals. Lets see how many actually jump

Shadowblade wrote in post #13842525
In everything except the sensor, yes..

Let's be honest..Isn't that the strongest advantage of the D800 right now? Nikon got the marketing trend and learned their lesson really nice and produced a great product but..
Unless the 5DMkIII's specs are out and I haven't checked them yet, how can we pass judgement to Canon?..
I can't even critique on the D800 because all I have atm are some random sample pics and no in depth review.. That's all I'm saying..
No need to mention the rest everybody knew what made D700 excel over the MkII..

Shadowblade wrote in post #13841314
This is what I really don't understand.

The D4 and D800 don't really compete with each other, despite both being weather-sealed and having pro AF systems. The former is a photojournalist's and sports photographer's camera, capable of 11fps and clean high ISOs. The latter is a megapixel monster, designed for studio and landscape photography, or applications which require heavy cropping. Wedding/general photographers can choose either.

A high-resolution, fully weather-sealed, non-crippled AF 5D3 would hardly compete with the 1Dx. You'd get the former if you needed megapixels and ultimate IQ at lower ISOs (below 3200 or so), while you'd get the latter if you need 12fps and clean ISO 102400. That way, Canon could compete with Nikon without competing with itself. On the other hand, releasing a crippled 5D3 would just be surrendering the market share entirely to Nikon.

Well said! This is completely reasonable for me to believe. I agree that the sports/wildlife vs. landscape style cameras have features and needs that are too different to combine in one camera.

Now Canon needs to keep the price of the MKIII down around the $3000 +- $300 to keep it attainable. I fear with the price of the recent lenses (24-70mm L II @ $2300:shock that they may try to screw us with the MKIII..... Hope I'm wrong!

Gaarryy wrote in post #13842592
at least the 5Dmk2 used prices will be low with everyone selling. Since in nearly every thread comparing the 5D2 to _____________. the majority of users say they print BIG, SUPER BIG and it's all about the megapixals. Lets see how many actually jump

That's probably because, if you didn't need to print big, you'd probably have gone with the D700 over the 5D2 in the first place. Therefore, many 5D2 shooters print large.

Megapixels (and video) was the only advantage the 5D2 had.

orbitechgr wrote in post #13842606
Let's be honest..Isn't that the strongest advantage of the D800 right now?

That... and that it's still fully weather-sealed... and has a pro AF system (the D700's AF was better than the contemporary, top-of-the-line, 1D3/1Ds3)... can focus down to f/8 with nine points (better than the 1D line)... and has a 100% viewfinder... and it doesn't have pattern noise in the shadows.

They didn't have a lesson to learn - just that the 12MP sensor was the best sensor Nikon had at the time (which was a few months before the 5D2).

RhysPhotograph.Me wrote in post #13842274
^^^
But the D800 doesn't look to be that much better feature wise, i.e. little better AF, 100% viewfinder etc. There are some nice little ergonomic changes that a D700 user will appreciate, but the main difference seems to be that 36mp chip.

I guess you're not reading all the fine details this camera has...

In addition to what you already pointed out above...D700 was great at what you pointed out…it’s just now better. (So far on paper and reviews)

3D color matrix meter III - It uses face recognition information and exposes for the face rather than the other elements in the frame. If it works like it says it does, this is a real advantage in backlit situations.

HDR function – The ability to shoot two frames in a single shutter release, but at different exposures. One over and one under. Then the camera instantly combines them to create an image covering a wider dynamic range.

Giving the consumer the option to pick with or without the AA filter (optical low-pass filter) for a greater details / sharpness.

New processor

Better and a larger LCD

Pro AF, 51 pt AF with 15 cross types like the D4

CF and SD slots

Full weather sealed

These features alone at the price point ($300 more than what the D700) was selling for sure sounds like a big upgrade….

Shadowblade wrote in post #13842672
That... and that it's still fully weather-sealed... and has a pro AF system (the D700's AF was better than the contemporary, top-of-the-line, 1D3/1Ds3)... and has a 100% viewfinder.

Against what are we comparing? An unreleased product or with previous Canon generation models?

That's not what their current strategic move suggests with the D800. I suspect the overall sales had shown the same against the MkII..
Now what remains to be seen is whether Canon will be caught with its pants down with the MkIII.

From everything we know, Canon is combining the 5D with the 7D, this isn't new info at all. Canon Rumors suggest 61 AF Points and 22MP oh and high fps. So Canon is giving us everything you can get from the D800 except the resolution. I think if you need FPS you'll buy the 5DX, if you want resolution you'll buy D800.

But here's the problem. The 5DII was a portrait/landscape camera. And that market could care less about FPS. The original market for the product was concerned chiefly with resolution and video. The D800 now OWNS resolution, and with uncompressed HDMI and a headphone jack they'll rule video.

Canon's trying to please everyone with an all-in-one, Nikon went directly to the portrait/landscape market and said "hey you guys spend an obscene amount of money on gear, come over here now and give us all that delicious money!" And we will.

Could Canon stop this entire discussion by launching a high resolution 5DX? YES! But instead we got a $1000 focus lock button

snaphappyphotography wrote in post #13842825
From everything we know, Canon is combining the 5D with the 7D, this isn't new info at all. Canon Rumors suggest 61 AF Points and 22MP oh and high fps. So Canon is giving us everything you can get from the D800 except the resolution. I think if you need FPS you'll buy the 5DX, if you want resolution you'll buy D800.

The specs seem to keep changing, at first I think I remember reading 19AF points, if they use the 61 point AF and the camera has decent FPS, then why get the 1DX? Canon hasn't wanted to cannibalise the 1D in the past, so not sure about this one...

RhysPhotograph.Me wrote in post #13842944
The specs seem to keep changing, at first I think I remember reading 19AF points, if they use the 61 point AF and the camera has decent FPS, then why get the 1DX? Canon hasn't wanted to cannibalise the 1D in the past, so not sure about this one...

If they had any sense, the 1D series would be replaced by the 1Dx (action cameras), while the 1Ds series would be replaced by the 5D3 (high-IQ cameras).

With the competition that exists now, there's simply no place for a 1Ds-like camera at a 6k+ price point - that sort of capability now belongs in the 3k-4k bracket, as demonstrated by Nikon's latest offering.

Anyone notice how attractive the price is for the D800? You get alot of MP for not a whole lot of money. The problem will be the glass and whether it can keep up.

HaroldC3 wrote in post #13843080
Anyone notice how attractive the price is for the D800? You get alot of MP for not a whole lot of money. The problem will be the glass and whether it can keep up.

Most primes, the 14-24, all the PC-E lenses, the new 70-200 and the 200-400 should be able to keep up, at least. Maybe the Nikon 24-70, too.

^^^
If you get the D800E, you probably don't want the glass to keep up.

HaroldC3 wrote in post #13843080
Anyone notice how attractive the price is for the D800? You get alot of MP for not a whole lot of money. The problem will be the glass and whether it can keep up.

Just saw the price tag and to be honest I was surprised it was that low. 51 AF points, full frame, 36 MP's are some pretty nice features for that price. I don't really need 36 MP but the AF and full frame (as well as all the other specs) would be nice, the only part I saw where it lacked was in the fps but for me that wouldn't be an issue.

RhysPhotograph.Me wrote in post #13843106
^^^
If you get the D800E, you probably don't want the glass to keep up.

Huh? I thought the only reason to not have the AA filter is better IQ. I don't shoot video. So, that doesn't matter to me.