Advice 7D vs 5D classic

Hello, I am upgrading from my 20D, now that I have sold my original Canon F-1n film gear and other unused toys. I am not new to photography, it's been a passion for over 40 years. My dilemma is deciding on the 7D through the Canon Loyalty program, my original thought or getting a 5D classic.

In reading through the posts, I see some issues with noise and soft focus on the 7D. I am in the real estate business and am looking to shoot interiors as a side light to my real estate business. If I stay with the APS-C sensor on the 7D, I have the crop issues and will be purchasing the EF-S 10-22mm lens for interior shots.

I love the idea of going FF, but don't know if the 5D classic is too much of a step backward in technology, its vintage is that of my 20D. Also I don't know if there are any noise issues with the 5Dc being 6-7 year old technology.

If anyone has knowledge or opinions on the cameras, I appreciate your comments.

Thanks and have a great day!

If you check out the following thread, any concerns you have about the quality of the 5Dc should be put to rest: https://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthre​ad.php?t=996038

If I were in your shoes, I'd go with the 5D. Why?:

No need for the super fast AF and all the customization it provides on the 7D
The 5D has better dynamic range and is better suited for landscapes, and portraits (throw real estate in with landscapes).
The FF sensor will allow you to get wider shots out of your lenses than an APS-C will.
The straight up image quality of the 5D is better than the 7D, and it also handles skin tones dramatically better.

On the other hand, the people complaining about soft images and noise on the 7D are the ones who don't care to read the manual, buy a $1300 camera because they can, and expect it to deliver out of this world shots without knowing how to properly use their equipment, or what lenses to pair with it.

Also, if you're worried about depreciation at all, the 5D will not depreciate as fast as the 7D will, as it's been out for ages and has almost hit rock bottom already.

I would think for interior real estate you'd want as wide as possible.The 5D file is pretty darn sweet I dont think I wouldn't consider it backward technology at all.If your can rent them in your area I think Id shoot them side by side and let your eye be the judge.
The rental could be a business expense,no? Just a thought.

I have just changed from a 5dc to a 7D,after much heart searching.
I had the 5d and 40D and found that while I did not use it much(40D) there were times, BIF, and Motorsport when the 5d did not do the job.
I could not see the point of having two cameras with one virtually unused so after much debate and advice I sold the 5d for the 7D and will now sell the 40D.
I used to shoot interiors for real estate and found the crop sensor (40D) with a 10/20mm lens fine.
So far I have not found noise issues with the 7D and they were certainly none with the 5D.
One comment I would make I tried a TS-E lens on the 5D and found it nearly impossible to focus on the 5D and as one is on my shopping list I wanted live view which the 5Dc does not have.
Overall so far I am not dissapointed with the 7D as for me it ticks all the right boxes .
It really comes down to what lenses you have and what else you shoot.
Best of luck with the choice

Stamp wrote in post #13662376
the people complaining about soft images and noise on the 7D are the ones who don't care to read the manual, buy a $1300 camera because they can, and expect it to deliver out of this world shots without knowing how to properly use their equipment, or what lenses to pair with it.

Right. Because the 7D is so sharp SOOC. Does the manual talk about post processing needs? I would love for you to elaborate on your statement.

Higgs Boson wrote in post #13662490


Right. Because the 7D is so sharp SOOC. Does the manual talk about post processing needs? I would love for you to elaborate on your statement.

You want me to elaborate? Sure! First let me ask if you even own a 7D? I'm not interested if you have tried one, did a shoot with one in the past, or saw some guy shooting with one, I only want to know if you own one or have owned one, and read the manual. Also, have you ever edited a 7D raw file?

I'm interested to know why you're come off with a wiseguy attitude, so please, let us know what your experience is with the 7D, because I own one, have read the manual, know what lenses excel with it, and I don't have ANY problem with getting sharp images with no sharpening in PP'ing.

Stamp wrote in post #13662667
You want me to elaborate? Sure! First let me ask if you even own a 7D? I'm not interested if you have tried one, did a shoot with one in the past, or saw some guy shooting with one, I only want to know if you own one or have owned one, and read the manual. Also, have you ever edited a 7D raw file?

I'm interested to know why you're come off with a wiseguy attitude, so please, let us know what your experience is with the 7D, because I own one, have read the manual, know what lenses excel with it, and I don't have ANY problem with getting sharp images with no sharpening in PP'ing.

Well, since you actually didn't explain your comment at all and only restated it in a longer form, I'll let you have another go at it after letting you know I owned a 7D for over a year and have thousands of 7D raw files on my hard drives. Are you under the impression that the gear in my sig is the first and only gear I've ever owned?

You are the one making the statements with no substance..... Have at it.

gadiodati1060 wrote in post #13662302
Hello, I am upgrading from my 20D, now that I have sold my original Canon F-1n film gear and other unused toys. I am not new to photography, it's been a passion for over 40 years. My dilemma is deciding on the 7D through the Canon Loyalty program, my original thought or getting a 5D classic.

In reading through the posts, I see some issues with noise and soft focus on the 7D. I am in the real estate business and am looking to shoot interiors as a side light to my real estate business. If I stay with the APS-C sensor on the 7D, I have the crop issues and will be purchasing the EF-S 10-22mm lens for interior shots.

I love the idea of going FF, but don't know if the 5D classic is too much of a step backward in technology, its vintage is that of my 20D. Also I don't know if there are any noise issues with the 5Dc being 6-7 year old technology.

If anyone has knowledge or opinions on the cameras, I appreciate your comments.

Thanks and have a great day!

Even the 5d MII is a step backwards from a tech stand point compared to a 7d. Image quality is comparable between the 7d and 5d MII also. So spoil yourself with a superb camera body that not only has great IQ but also has auto focusing akin to a 1d series.

The 5d classic is a good value but is dated and who knows how much longer Canon will service the dslr. From a buyers perspective that should be a primary concern.

For indoor shooting, you're need as much frame as you can get. I would recommend the 5Dmk2, if it is within your budget.

Yes, the APS-C can get more in the frame by buying wider lenses, but in doing so one might see more CA or distortion in the pictures. Those problems can be mostly corrected with PP, but I wouldn't want to take the time to do it.

I'd say to buy the right tool for the job and go with a 5D series if you can get your hands on one.

Regards,

David

I've got both the 7D and 5DC, had the 7D for about a year and a half, had the 5DC for a couple of months. IQ from the 5D amazes me, it's really incredible. Since I got it, I rarely use the 7D. Right now, I think the best value in the DSLR might be the 5D, followed by the 40D.

Stamp wrote in post #13662376
On the other hand, the people complaining about soft images and noise on the 7D are the ones who don't care to read the manual, buy a $1300 camera because they can, and expect it to deliver out of this world shots without knowing how to properly use their equipment, or what lenses to pair with it.

Higgs Boson wrote in post #13662684
Well, since you actually didn't explain your comment at all and only restated it in a longer form...

How much more explanation do you need? More than a paragraph? It's all laid out right there to where even a 4th grader can understand. Here, I'll quote it above so you can read it again.

Higgs Boson wrote in post #13662684
I owned a 7D for over a year and have thousands of 7D raw files on my hard drives.

Good for you! Although, you didn't completely answer the question, so I can only assume you have never read the manual to understand the complexities of the camera, the custom settings, and the intricate AF system. Here is Another example of someone buying an expensive camera, jumping into it, without doing any research or reading much.. oh look, it's one of your threads https://photography-on-the.net …/showthread.php​?t=1023290

Also, you really owned it for over a year?! Looks like the first time you talked about or showed any photos with your 7D was in March of last year, and you were trying to decide whether to go with a 5D or 7D back in January of last year, so you must have picked it up between those dates, and here is a thread you wrote in October talking about you selling the 7D

Higgs Boson wrote in post #13237012
I used to have a 7D but I liked the 5D better so I sold it.

Call me crazy, but my math indicates you owned it for around 7-8 months.??? That's a far cry from "Over a year". I'm sorry, but you lose all all respect/integrity/valu​e to me at this point.

Higgs Boson wrote in post #13662684
Are you under the impression that the gear in my sig is the first and only gear I've ever owned?

Why would you think that? Are you reading more into statements and posts trying to get what you want? Nowhere did I indicate that.

Gotta love the archives of this forum. Keeps people honest, don't you think?

rick_reno wrote in post #13662758
I've got both the 7D and 5DC, had the 7D for about a year and a half, had the 5DC for a couple of months. IQ from the 5D amazes me, it's really incredible. Since I got it, I rarely use the 7D. Right now, I think the best value in the DSLR might be the 5D, followed by the 40D.

Totally. There's a local wedding photog who only uses the 5Dc unless he absolutely has to have high ISO performance of his 5DII.

Stamp wrote in post #13662829
How much more explanation do you need? More than a paragraph? It's all laid out right there to where even a 4th grader can understand. Here, I'll quote it above so you can read it again.



Good for you! Although, you didn't completely answer the question, so I can only assume you have never read the manual to understand the complexities of the camera, the custom settings, and the intricate AF system. Here is Another example of someone buying an expensive camera, jumping into it, without doing any research or reading much.. oh look, it's one of your threads https://photography-on-the.net …/showthread.php​?t=1023290

Also, you really owned it for over a year?! Looks like the first time you talked about or showed any photos with your 7D was in March of last year, and you were trying to decide whether to go with a 5D or 7D back in January of last year, so you must have picked it up between those dates, and here is a thread you wrote in October talking about you selling the 7D

Call me crazy, but my math indicates you owned it for around 7-8 months.??? That's a far cry from "Over a year". I'm sorry, but you lose all all respect/integrity/valu​e to me at this point.

Why would you think that? Are you reading more into statements and posts trying to get what you want? Nowhere did I indicate that.

Gotta love the archives of this forum. Keeps people honest, don't you think?

I don't remember when I sold it... I guess I did sell it a few months ago then. Time flies but you really don't need a camera more than a week to tell what kind of files it produces do you, I mean really?

Anyways, you can spend your time calling me out if you'd like, but you have conveniently shifted the topic away from any justification on your part. And the 1div af system is even more complicated and advanced then the 7d and I have no issue with the results....hmmm. The results are not due to the af system, they are due to the sensor. And yes, I appear to be a retard in the thread you linked, I agree, but the viewfinder is not on the top of my evaluative criteria list.

To say I didn't read the manual is laughable. It doesn't justify your position. I'm not alone in my observation and perspective of the 7d file. If its good enough for you then fine. Enjoy it. I wanted something more and I got it.

Higgs Boson wrote in post #13662851
I don't remember when I sold it... I guess I did sell it a few months ago then.

At least you own up to your lie when confronted with evidence. Too bad most of the folks in Washington don't do the same.

Higgs Boson wrote in post #13662851
Time flies but you really don't need a camera more than a week to tell what kind of files it produces do you, I mean really?

I think you're very wrong here. My 7D files got progressively better the longer I had the camera.

Higgs Boson wrote in post #13662851
And the 1div af system is even more complicated and advanced then the 7d and I have no issue with the results....hmmm.

I never indicated that YOU had any issues with the AF system. Congrats on mastering that beast!

Higgs Boson wrote in post #13662851
The results are not due to the af system, they are due to the sensor.

Really? That's the only thing that affects the image quality that a camera produces? And for all this time I thought having experience, quality glass, good lighting, etc... had something to do with the image results. Silly me.

Higgs Boson wrote in post #13662851
To say I didn't read the manual is laughable. It doesn't justify your position.

And you still dodged the question! I'd say you're ready to be a politician!

Higgs Boson wrote in post #13662851
I wanted something more and I got it.

Seriously, I'm glad you're happy with what you use. Keep on shooting!