7D vs 1Ds MKII Image Quality

Recently picked up 7D and it's a great camera but how does its image quality compare to 1Ds MKII? I shot with 7D and 1Ds MKII recently at noticed the image quality of 7D, and sharp focus within image is not as detailed as the 1Ds MKII even when shooting at the same settings. I don't believe the 7D image quality is less vs 1Ds MKII, but there is something not right about the image quality of my particular 7D in dusk shooting conditions. With proper ISO setting, shutter speed, and aperture setting, the image quality and sharpness of the 7D appear dull with or without flash. I'm still new to this camera, so if there are any setting I can set to improve the overall quality of the images in dusk conditions please share.

The sensor is not the same as the 1D. It is a full frame sensor. They are two very different animals. A FF body will by and large provide better IQ than even a newer crop body. The advantage the 7D has is the AF and faster 8fps to the 1ds 4fps. Also from the info on the 1Ds mkII it has a limited ISO range of 100-3200. http://www.dpreview.co​m/reviews/canoneos1dsm​kii/

Forgot to add the 7D gives you more reach with the same lens at a 1.6x crop

Weak AA filter on the 1DsII = sharper images > strongest AA filter to date on the 7D = less sharp images before post processing.

Hm, so the AF on the 7D is superior to the 1ds2? Doubtful.

You have both cameras in your possession - you tell me how the IQ is?

There are still a lot of people who believe that the 1ds2 has the best IQ in the Canon lineup, certainly for the money.

And what do you mean "appear dull"... post an example showing what you mean, it might help. It could be you just need to figure out how to best post process images from that particular body.

Photoman65 wrote in post #13675157
I don't believe the 7D image quality is less vs 1Ds MKII.

You should! The 1Ds Mark II arguably (or inarguably, as many will tell you) has the finest sensor Canon has ever made. That likely will change with the arrival of the 1D X, but until then....

The weak AA filter only adds to the 1Ds2's advantage, and it has a 1D-series AF system. If you shoot them side-by-side, you'll never get images out of the 7D as nice as the 1Ds2. As mentioned, there are some specs where the 7D has an advantage, like a higher FPS rate and higher maximum ISO (but it reportedly gets noisy from what I read, so....). If image quality is the only measuring stick, it's not a contest.

I have both of these cameras and it has been my experience that the Ds blows the 7D out of the water so long as I'm using the whole frame but the slightly larger images from the 7D hold up better to cropping.

Oh no...... another FF vs crop battle may be heating up....

I'll throw a couple of grenades in in the fire.....

No Angle wrote in post #13675461
A FF body will by and large provide better IQ than even a newer crop body.

Ah, yes, FF provides better I.Q., but how are you going to take advantage of that extra image quallity? In a 1024 X 768 web photo? No. In a A2 sized print? Probably Not.

It's like owning a Ferrari, but only a driveway in which to take advantage of it. It looks pretty, and one can recite all the engine and suspension statistics, but that's about it.

Cheers,

David

Only the OP knows how he/she will use the images, so we can't decide whether it will matter or not. And the better car analogy is to ask whether a pickup truck or sedan is better. The question then becomes "better for what purpose?" Same deal with sensors. Crop is decidedly better in some situations, FF is better in others. It doesn't have to be a war of sensor sizes, or an interminable battle of inferiority complexes. Just use what works for your specific needs.

davidc502 wrote in post #13675972
Oh no...... another FF vs crop battle may be heating up....

I'll throw a couple of grenades in in the fire.....

Ah, yes, FF provides better I.Q., but how are you going to take advantage of that extra image quallity? In a 1024 X 768 web photo? No. In a A2 sized print? Probably Not.

It's like owning a Ferrari, but only a driveway in which to take advantage of it. It looks pretty, and one can recite all the engine and suspension statistics, but that's about it.

Cheers,

David

Printing 16x20 and over you'll see the difference. If you just print 4x6 prints or just diplay on the web...stick to a P&S.

I was offering a 7d + cash for a 1ds MII awhile back. I had owned a 1d and 1d MII before purchasing the 7d and really missed the feel of the 1d series. Oh and the sound of the shutter compared to any other Cannon dslr is like night and day.
Since I didn't get any serious offers I kept the 7d and am glad because I decided to focus on the gear I had and work on my lighting skills among other things. Learning how to control and shape ambient and or studio light in an image is more important than Mega pixels or size of the sensor.

This discussion has been done.
As stated earlier. They are 2 different bodies for 2 different reasons .

Neither is "better". Just different.

jhayesvw wrote in post #13676462
This discussion has been done.
As stated earlier. They are 2 different bodies for 2 different reasons .

Neither is "better". Just different.

no no no no....... APS-C is clearly better...... clearly

jhayesvw wrote in post #13676462
This discussion has been done...

Like that's ever stopped it from taking place the next few hundred times after the first....

Same reason I dumped my 60D and went back to a 5D classic. The IQ and DOF from full frame is simply better in the applications I use it for.

This question is like "What's going to kill you better in russian roulette? A .45 or a .32?".

Just shoot

But if you must insists on discussing this. People do pixel peel a lot more than they should. People talk about large print but forgets that when you do a large print the suggested viewing position doesn't involve your nose touching the print. Or that on canvas prints where some people (like me) do most of their large prints the canvas itself takes away a bit from how much details you get from the picture. And even when people tell you what they know about a camera half the time it's just opinion based on what they read.

What do you think of a leica M9? If you were asked to guess which (between the M9 and a 7D) do you think makes better 30x20 canvas print? I actually have couple of prints from my 7D and one from a friend of mine who shot my part of engagement and wedding with his M9. From a proper distance you wouldn't know which was the M9 and which was the 7D. And if you walk up close you know what? It's still bloody hard to tell.