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Mar 28, 2016 16:23 as a reply to  @ post 17902829 |  #46

Really nice.


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Mar 30, 2016 04:01 |  #47

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Mar 30, 2016 15:52 as a reply to  @ cupra103's post |  #48

Nice shots Phil
What was the focal length on the tug at 1/40th


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Mar 30, 2016 16:25 as a reply to  @ Desertraptor's post |  #49

440mm with the sigma 150-500. I was just having a conversation with someone about what you can and can't do with a big lens. He was saying that you must not shoot below the focal length and that it was pointless have the sigma on the 7D with out at least a monopod. I decided to educate him!

I know it's not perfect but I was making a point.


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Mar 30, 2016 21:51 as a reply to  @ cupra103's post |  #50

Never panned a shot in his life? No real world experience. Thinks he knows it all.
show him some shots :)


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Mar 31, 2016 09:40 |  #51

cupra103 wrote in post #17955003 (external link)
440mm with the sigma 150-500. I was just having a conversation with someone about what you can and can't do with a big lens. He was saying that you must not shoot below the focal length and that it was pointless have the sigma on the 7D with out at least a monopod. I decided to educate him!

I know it's not perfect but I was making a point.


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Never panned a shot in his life? No real world experience. Thinks he knows it all.
show him some shots :)

Well 1/FL or better is nice if you can use it, jets and gliders are fine at 1/8000 if you have the light and I would rather shoot them at those sorts of shutter speeds. When it comes to prop aircraft or helicopters then it's a completely different ball game if you want attractive shots. I know back when I shot 35mm film with unstabilised MF lenses I would go with much higher shutter speeds, and put up with minimum prob blur just to get the shot. Then again I would be lucky to have four 36 exp rolls of film to use, FP4 and HP5 wasn't too bad but Ektachrome or Fujichrome was pushing things (and I did my own E6 processing too, as well as the black and white), especially for someone still at school. Getting a couple of useable shots with minimal prop blur was a far better option.

Digital is a real game changer, since the per click cost is essentially zero. Optical Image Stabilisation is pretty nice too though at the real slow speeds. Now I can afford a 2% keeper rate since I can shoot a couple of thousand frame during a show and just pick the nice ones. So now my max shutter speed for props is 1/160s and I'm even happy now that once I have a few passes in the bag at that speed I can slow it down some and try things out that I wouldn't otherwise try.

I only managed to get my Sigma 150-600 C in time for the last show of the 2015 UK season, but using that, and going back to using a shoulder pod like I used to use with my old film camera, I am really looking forwards to the start of the 2016 season, I think I might start using 1/125 or even 1/100 a bit more regularly, not just for the helicopters.

Of course it also helps if you can photograph something like Sbach's or an Extra 300, they seem to have really high revving engines that give almost a full blur with a three bladed prop.

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Compare that to a Hurricane shot from a very similar angle, but much less of a full circle as the RR Merlin is comparatively a slow revving engine. The visible blur for the Hurricane during take off is no more than you see in this shot.

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Mar 31, 2016 15:55 |  #52

Problem with going too slow is aircraft movement become more apparent. Nice to get prop blur but when the fuse starts to blur I start to bin them.


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Mar 31, 2016 20:41 |  #53

Shot at EAA Airventure last year...


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Mar 31, 2016 21:41 as a reply to  @ wizzells's post |  #54

Very nice
Shutter speed and focal length?


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Mar 31, 2016 22:27 |  #55

Desertraptor wrote in post #17956510 (external link)
Very nice
Shutter speed and focal length?

Thanks, and sorry, not sure why the metadata didn't come through...

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