Are you getting sick of Apple Corporation yet?

Oops, sorry. I didn't realize the link took me to the 10.1" Prime

The 7" MeMo has the same resolution at 1280x800 and they said it has the guts of the Prime. I saw a link for full specs and didn't realize it was for the Prime. I don't think full specs have been released for the MeMo as of yet.

Tony-S wrote in post #13756079
So, in other words, you're just speculating?

If by "speculating" you mean that I am making a prediction in the same vein as "the government will still suck next year" or "I'm going to die eventually" then yes, I am speculating.

Barring an alien invasion, asteroid strike or global thermonuclear war Android tablets will do to the iPad just what Android phones did to the iPhone.

MikeFairbanks wrote in post #13756617
I only ask for a tablet that mirrors. Such a simple thing. But do a search for mirroring (wireless) and you would think apple is the only company that can do it.

To mirror wirelessly, you need the transmitting device to encode in real-time and send the file, and the receiving device must be able to decode for the display device. No projector that I know of can do this. The Apple TV 2 with iPad 2 or iPhone 4s can do it for videos and Keynotes, but I don't know about other applications (such as Numbers or Pages). However, the Apple TV has HDMI output so your projector would also need either HDMI or DVI to accept the Apple TV's input.

Erik S. Klein wrote in post #13756667
If by "speculating"...

No, by speculating you mean:

Erik S. Klein wrote in post #13756001
Android tablets (costing half as much for twice the product)

Maybe a work around..

And it may depend on your school's security policy for teachers computers. How about using a tablet (I know Android ones have apps that will work, I'm not sure about iPad's but probably) to run the desktop via Remote Desktop? Or something like Logmein to control the desktop that is connected to the projector. Using a touchscreen can be problematic to control a RDP session and you can't do stylus type input but it gives you full control of the programs that you have there.

I was in peachmac (apple store) and I got to play with the ipad2 and the apple tv hooked up.

It does 100% mirroring in real time with very little latency. Only gamers can really feel the
Latency, but for a teacher it's latency-free.

As far as hooking up to our projector at work? I'd have to look into that.

What exactly did the android to to the iPhone?

Apples numbers keep going up and up, and sales show no sign of slowing down. Even the "failed" iPhone 4s has been selling more than any other phone. You do know that youre comparing an entire industry (Android) against one(singular) phone right? I mean let's just put that in its correct perspective when you're making sweeping arguments.

Todd Lambert wrote in post #13755880
But anyways, we're WAAAY off topic here. Mike, I feel for you, I do. Teachers don't get half the respect and pay that they should.

I hate to say that in some cases, you may need to look at different alternatives or find a way to workaround some things that Apple obviously hasn't thought very hard about.

These are new products (the ibooks thing), so they are probably trying to establish a market and find out what works and how. Not the best place to be if you're an early adopter, but then.. Apple is never known for rewarding early adopters, not ever. I've been burned many times by buying first gen products from Apple. But in defense, nobody was creating anything better, which is why I eagerly jumped at Apple's first attempts, when I've done it. (first iMac, Powerbook Lombard, 1st gen iPod, 1st gen iPhone, etc.. ) although I skipped the first iPads and just bought an iPad 2 on Friday.

Erik S. Klein wrote in post #13756667
If by "speculating" you mean that I am making a prediction in the same vein as "the government will still suck next year" or "I'm going to die eventually" then yes, I am speculating.

Barring an alien invasion, asteroid strike or global thermonuclear war Android tablets will do to the iPad just what Android phones did to the iPhone.

Oh Thank you for saying what I have thought for years!!!!

Tony-S wrote in post #13756687
No, by speculating you mean:

That's not speculation in any real sense.

You can get an Android phone that outperforms the latest iPhone for a tiny fraction of the price. The tablet market, if it is a viable market, will see the same.

Stating the inevitable is not speculation.

Yeah, if you say so.

Todd Lambert wrote in post #13756742
What exactly did the android to to the iPhone?

Apples numbers keep going up and up, and sales show no sign of slowing down. Even the "failed" iPhone 4s has been selling more than any other phone. You do know that youre comparing an entire industry (Android) against one(singular) phone right? I mean let's just put that in its correct perspective when you're making sweeping arguments.

Actually I'm comparing one mobile OS to another. iOS versus Android.

It is Apple's fault that they don't license their OS and thus it is their fault that they have about half of the marketshare for new smartphones because of it.

As Apple's numbers go up, Android's go up faster. Apple may be gaining customers (for now) but they are losing percentage of marketshare even as others fall by the wayside.

In the end it is Google versus Apple - open versus closed and guess who is winning?

This is a fun repeat of Apple hisory, actually. When the Apple][was out they were open machines with published specs and so on, thanks to Woz. (BTW - on-topic - Woz loves his 5D2.)

When the Mac came out they locked everything down tight and overcharged for their proprietary machines. Because of that Apple's marketshare dropped in a growing market.

Apple nearly died following that philosophy and it wasn't until Jobs started pushing toys that the one time computer company came back from the brink. And now they're playing that same game again.

I wonder how it'll turn out this time? So far fanboys such as yourself appear perfectly content to throw piles of cash at Apple and they still make plenty of money selling fewer units on higher margins to people who prefer hype over substance.

Side by side my Droid X is far more phone than my wife's iPhone 4 and I paid $10 against her $300.

Her Mac Pro tower is a tank but it doesn't outperform a PC workstation I built for half the price and the Apple crashes twice as often.

Hey, at least my Apple][Still works. In fact, I think it's time for a game of Choplifter...

You can't seem to make a coherent argument based in reality, and seem bent on rewriting history to fit your own personal tech decisions, so you have to resort to calling me names?

I think you need to realize that Apple doesn't care about market share - it never has. It cares about two things: making the best, most compelling product experiences for its customers and making money. That's it.


Persosnally, I'd rather see apples market share go back down because I liked it much more when I was an oddball using a Mac.

You nailed it Todd. Better said they care about VERY HIGH MARGINS!

-mac user by the way

Todd Lambert wrote in post #13757069
You can't seem to make a coherent argument based in reality, and seem bent on rewriting history to fit your own personal tech decisions, so you have to resort to calling me names?

Interesting.

What part of history have I rewritten? More specifically, what historical facts have I stated incorrectly? Please do document them as I hate getting stuff wrong on tours...

I'm writing this with all due respect. If we were talking photography I'd defer to your expertise and, to be honest, I wish I had a tiny fraction of your talent behind the camera.

We are, however, talking about my area of expertise and accusing me of being inaccurate or incoherent is far more insulting than an accusation of being a fanboy.

Especially since that term isn't an insult, nor is it intended to be. A fanboy just is. I'm a Canon fanboy, for instance, and don't mind people pointing it out...

Todd Lambert wrote in post #13757069
I think you need to realize that Apple doesn't care about market share - it never has. It cares about two things: making the best, most compelling product experiences for its customers and making money. That's it.

Well, per some of your earlier arguments you seemed to be claiming that Apple had marketshare that it does not. I merely countered with the facts.

I agree that Apple, like most companies, cares about profit and most realize that they make more of that the more folks buy their stuff. Apple has historically shown that it's okay with fewer customers but more per-customer profit. That's not a bad business model and companies like Ferrari and Cartier do well with it. The only difference being, of course, that those companies products are measurably better than the competition while Apple can't make that claim...

As for the whole "most compelling product experience" pap, I don't think there are very many makers of anything from bleach to port-o-potties that wouldn't make the same claim.

Todd Lambert wrote in post #13757069
Persosnally, I'd rather see apples market share go back down because I liked it much more when I was an oddball using a Mac.

Which pretty much sums it up, much like the commercials I cited earlier. You want think that buying Apple makes you somehow special or elite.

I'm telling you that it doesn't and you don't appear to like me doing so...

Sorry, then.

Peace out.

Todd Lambert wrote in post #13757069
You can't seem to make a coherent argument based in reality, and seem bent on rewriting history to fit your own personal tech decisions, so you have to resort to calling me names?

I think you need to realize that Apple doesn't care about market share - it never has. It cares about two things: making the best, most compelling product experiences for its customers and making money. That's it.


Persosnally, I'd rather see apples market share go back down because I liked it much more when I was an oddball using a Mac.

Me too Todd, I liked the feeling of being treated like the red headed stepchild in a computer store. Now I can actually find software in stock, how ordinary is that? It sucks to be in a growing number of users. And I'm serious and a fanboy, so what?