Are you getting sick of Apple Corporation yet?

Guys, don't fight. That's not going to help.

I guess I shouldn't have started this thread.

I'm an apple fanboy, by the way. I was just ranting about a lot of chinks in the armor, bugs in the software. I'm not used to that from Apple.


But like I said before, the best wireless mirroring will get my dollars in the next couple months.

Teaching with the Ipad is going to be amazing.

Erik S. Klein wrote in post #13757246
Interesting.

What part of history have I rewritten? More specifically, what historical facts have I stated incorrectly? Please do document them as I hate getting stuff wrong on tours...

I'm writing this with all due respect. If we were talking photography I'd defer to your expertise and, to be honest, I wish I had a tiny fraction of your talent behind the camera.

We are, however, talking about my area of expertise and accusing me of being inaccurate or incoherent is far more insulting than an accusation of being a fanboy.

Especially since that term isn't an insult, nor is it intended to be. A fanboy just is. I'm a Canon fanboy, for instance, and don't mind people pointing it out...



Well, per some of your earlier arguments you seemed to be claiming that Apple had marketshare that it does not. I merely countered with the facts.

I agree that Apple, like most companies, cares about profit and most realize that they make more of that the more folks buy their stuff. Apple has historically shown that it's okay with fewer customers but more per-customer profit. That's not a bad business model and companies like Ferrari and Cartier do well with it. The only difference being, of course, that those companies products are measurably better than the competition while Apple can't make that claim...

As for the whole "most compelling product experience" pap, I don't think there are very many makers of anything from bleach to port-o-potties that wouldn't make the same claim.



Which pretty much sums it up, much like the commercials I cited earlier. You want think that buying Apple makes you somehow special or elite.

I'm telling you that it doesn't and you don't appear to like me doing so...

Sorry, then.

Peace out.

You are a PC fanboy. I just read your website and it's painfully obvious that you're a dyed in the wool PC user. You've probably never liked Macs (possibly never even understood them) and so your vantage point of pc/tech history has a very rosy tint to it.

And yes, fanboy is derogatory. You may not think it is, but it reeks of condescension which is how the majority of your posts in this thread have sounded.

You see computers by their bits and bytes, by the processor speed and how many programs it can use.

You don't seem to appreciate quality in build, quality in software and more importantly, style and design as being an important part of a product. That's okay... that's what the PC world is all about and you probably fit right in.

There is more to life in the tech industry than that though, and people are starting to realize that with Apple products. Some of us have understood this for a long time, and that is why I feel "elite" or special. Not because some corporation tells me to, like you insinuate.

Anyways, you have a pretty anti-apple sense of the world, which clearly shows here. I imagine it shows in your tours too. You remind me of the people who use to sell computers at Comp USA. (You'd be interested in a Mac and the salesman would come over and piss on your shoes telling you "oh you don't want one of those fruity computers, here let me show this awesome Packard Bell with dual floppy drives, it's awesome!") :roll eyes:


Well, to each their own I guess. You've made your points and I made mine. I think this discussion has just about run it's course, so I will bow out and let the Apple bashing run it's course. Carry on good sir!

(Sorry Mike :cool

AngryCorgi wrote in post #13755189
I am getting sick of Apple! They keep making crap I really want, yet I have only so much disposable income!!

hahahhaha! Even your nick says so!

Well looks like they're doing something right. They just blow earnings out the box and now is the most valued company in the world.

http://money.cnn.com …/apple_earnings​/index.htm

Yeah, no kidding - total blow out. The 2nd best quarter in history ever, for any company, not just Apple.

A few more interesting notes today that directly disput what many in this thread have tried to assert about market share and Android:

Apple sold more iPhones in calendar 2011 than in 2007, 2008, 2009, and 2010 combined - pretty good growth if you ask me?

55 percent of all smartphones sold by Verizon last quarter were iPhones. - I guess Android is poised to take over right?

Apple officially is now the largest Smartphone company in the world - directly refutes what some were saying earlier in thin thread.

Apple iPads continue to skyrocket - 111 million sold last quarter alone. - yep, theres really no other tablet even in the race, still.

Apple is now officially the largest buyer of semiconductors in the world. - I work for a semiconductor company and can definitely attest to this.

Todd Lambert wrote in post #13762981
A few more interesting notes today that directly disput what many in this thread have tried to assert about market share and Android:

From the NPD Group (market research) via EndGadget:

From Gartner via The Business Insider:

Per Wikipedia(not a great source, but a nice consolidation) Apple runs around 10% of the PC market, Windows has around 85%.

Computerworldhas a somewhat longer view:

I won't bother with tablets since iPad still clearly dominates. Let's check back in 12-24 months to see how that holds up.

So you're arguing bout desktop pc share now? Really?

You can cite reports all you want, but the one that counts is sales. Apple is outselling everybody, period. Name one segment that they're not other than the entrenched desktop market which is quickly going under to tablets and portables, which is where apple is strongest.

You can live with your head in the sand all you want but today was a bunch of huge accomplishments for Apple. The entire tech industry is changing and Apple is at the helm.

And from your same reference as of today: http://www.businessins​ider.com …s-than-desktop-pcs-2012-1

There are two companies I will never buy from simply because of their heavy handed proprietary policies - Apple and Sony.

And another interesting point on the front page of your reference today:

THE BOTTOM LINE:
Android/Kindle et al aren't denting Apple's growth, for a variety of reasons. And it will probably stay that way.*
We're in a post-PC era, and Apple embodies that.
By the way, this quarter proved us wrong. We predicted Apple would "grow boringly in line with analyst estimates" this year. We thought Android, Kindle and sharper analysts would cause the company to surprise less. Didn't happen. Apple surprised everyone again.


Read more: http://www.businessins​ider.com …ings-2012-1#ixzz1kR13f8a6

Erik S. Klein wrote in post #13763198
From the NPD Group (market research) via EndGadget:

From Gartner via The Business Insider:

Per Wikipedia(not a great source, but a nice consolidation) Apple runs around 10% of the PC market, Windows has around 85%.

Computerworldhas a somewhat longer view:

I won't bother with tablets since iPad still clearly dominates. Let's check back in 12-24 months to see how that holds up.

If PC sales are small and Android is majority of smarthphone OS how in the hell is Apple the most valued company in the world? Where are the sales?

Android - Kia
Apple - BMW

Not the same product, just perform the same function at the basic level. One is just nicer and costs more. I'll pay.

Todd Lambert wrote in post #13763274
So you're arguing bout desktop pc share now? Really?

I was, and still am, arguing Apple share versus their competition.

In every segment save tablets they are a minority player.

They will find themselves in that position with tablets soon.

Todd Lambert wrote in post #13763274
You can cite reports all you want, but the one that counts is sales. Apple is outselling everybody, period.

Apple is out-profiting everybody because they've convinced a segment of the market that it's somehow better to pay more for less.

They outsell many individual companies but they do not own any markets save the aforementioned tablet space.

In desktop OS Microsoft has more than eight times the marketshare.

In mobile OS Google has almost twice the marketshare.

Todd Lambert wrote in post #13763274
Name one segment that they're not other than the entrenched desktop market which is quickly going under to tablets and portables, which is where apple is strongest.

Phones (by OS or platform), laptops, workstations, servers and so on.

Todd Lambert wrote in post #13763274
You can live with your head in the sand all you want but today was a bunch of huge accomplishments for Apple. The entire tech industry is changing and Apple is at the helm.

Not quite. Apple did well for the stock market and their shareholders, for sure, but that doesn't necessarily mean that they did anything particularly amazing for consumers.

As I've said, history is repeating itself. Apple tried to dominate desktops with a proprietary Mac (built on technology and concepts they "borrowed" from those who invented them) and they nearly went under doing so. Meanwhile the rest of the industry exploded.

Apple continues to try the same old tricks and will almost certainly meet the same fate in the long run.

aquaforester wrote in post #13763417
If PC sales are small and Android is majority of smarthphone OS how in the hell is Apple the most valued company in the world? Where are the sales?

Divided amongst a bunch of other players (Motorola, Samsung, Nokia, etc.) who, when considered together, are much, much larger than Apple.

hehehe, okay, whatever. You're trolling and it's obvious that your hatred for Apple has completely blinded you to common sense. We'll see what shakes out.

You do know that people have been claiming that Apple would falter etc.. and that the iPad was just a phase and that it would be killed by competition for almost two years now, yet it keeps getting stronger and stronger?

You know that the number of Americans owning tablets shot up by 10 percent to 19 percent between mid-December and early January, nearly doubling the number of tablet owners?

You know that the iPhone accounted for 4.3 million of the 7.7 million smartphones sold last quarter? That's over 50%. This has been a trend for quite a few quarters.

I think the problem is that you're stuck in the past (I guess being a PC history buff will do that eh?) and cling to things like desktop OS market share (like that is even relevant anymore?).

You can't seem to wrap your head around the facts that massive growth in all sectors by Apple, clearly shows that what your prophesying, isn't going to happen any time soon.

If you look at it another way: Apple is the largest microcontroller customer in the world, they're the largest flash memory customer in the world, and they're the largest display customer in the world.

Do the math, where are all of these things going? If they're also the top in manufacturing as well, and they're the #1 retail store in the world (think about that for a minute), how can even argue as you are?

Here's another interesting stat:

Apple is now selling more iPhones a day then people are being born, on the planet. 377,900 iPhones a day vs the world's average birth rate which is 371,000. Yeah, that's pretty incredible.

As for where marketshare is going, do me a favor and read this:

http://blog.nielsen.co​m/nielsenwire/?p=30686

Note: that was from A WEEK AGO, so it's pretty relevant, I think.

Here's an interesting graph, to help illustrate where you're wrong: