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Jan 30, 2012 22:10 |  #1

I know this isn't a new issue, but does anyone think Canon has one of these in the works?

I think a Canon branded 30-35mm lens designed for 1.6 crop would be an instant top seller for 2 reasons:

1. Canon's APS-c cameras have a huge customer base and are being targeted at higher and higher price points

2. Standard focal length prime lenses have always been huge sellers, like 50mm on full frame or 80mm on MF.

Why isn't there a bigger push for canon to release this? I am almost tempted to buy a D300 and 35mm prime right now...not to make this a canon/nikon debate, but come on canon!

just give us an EF-s 35mm f/1.8 lens at $250, PLEASE! It will sell 100,000 units in one week from release I bet.


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Jan 30, 2012 22:26 |  #2

I weston I wrote in post #13797869 (external link)
I know this isn't a new issue, but does anyone think Canon has one of these in the works?

I think a Canon branded 30-35mm lens designed for 1.6 crop would be an instant top seller for 2 reasons:

1. Canon's APS-c cameras have a huge customer base and are being targeted at higher and higher price points

2. Standard focal length prime lenses have always been huge sellers, like 50mm on full frame or 80mm on MF.

Why isn't there a bigger push for canon to release this? I am almost tempted to buy a D300 and 35mm prime right now...not to make this a canon/nikon debate, but come on canon!

just give us an EF-s 35mm f/1.8 lens at $250, PLEASE! It will sell 100,000 units in one week from release I bet.

canon makes two 24mm primes, two 28mm primes and two 35mm primes. these lenses work on any DSLR body. why on earth would canon make yet another prime in that range that is only compatible with 1.6 crop?

i wouldn't hold my breath. if you really like shooting primes i'd suggest getting a FF camera.

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Jan 30, 2012 22:33 |  #3

I know, the 28mm f/1.8 is tempting, because it's exactly the focal length and build I am looking for, but it's just not that sharp wide open, and not that cost effective at close to $500. It's probably what I need to go with I guess. Do I need a full frame body and set of primes? yes I do. I have been using my FM2 and 50mm more than anything lately just for that reason. B&W film at ISO 100 has such a nice look to it!

There is definitely a market for it though, judging by the success of the sigma 30 on canon, and the 35mm f/1.8 on Nikon. You can't compare the old, arc-driven EF 24, 28, and 35mm lenses to the newer offerings from other manufacturers very favorably either.


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Jan 30, 2012 22:50 |  #4

I weston I wrote in post #13797990 (external link)
..... the success of the sigma 30 on canon...

I have got one of these, no more need to buy a Canon.




  
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Jan 30, 2012 22:56 |  #5

That's a good reason right there. Who would buy a Sigma 30mm, which is known for AF problems, at $450, when there is a 30mm f1.8 from Canon for $250? You think that many people buy the Sigma in Sony or Nikon mounts anymore?

ed rader wrote in post #13797963 (external link)
canon makes two 24mm primes, two 28mm primes and two 35mm primes. these lenses work on any DSLR body. why on earth would canon make yet another prime in that range that is only compatible with 1.6 crop?
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Same reason Nikon and Sony did - there is a lot of demand. Nobody wants an f2.8 prime and the 35mm f2 and 28mm f1.8 have crept up in price. So there are solutions, but none that are attractive.

IMO Canon would create a lot of excitement for their 1.6x lineup with some wider, fast and affordable primes. Those would require them to be EF-S only.


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Jan 30, 2012 23:01 |  #6

It's my understanding that the advantages offered by the smaller format are greater in the design of longer lenses; an EF-S 35 may not be much cheaper than an EF 35.




  
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Jan 30, 2012 23:06 |  #7

xarqi wrote in post #13798109 (external link)
It's my understanding that the advantages offered by the smaller format are greater in the design of longer lenses; an EF-S 35 may not be much cheaper than an EF 35.

The reverse is actually true. The short backfocus (i.e. flange depth reduction) means there is less retrofocal design involved for EF-S. The longer lenses are already past that point and it literally makes no difference if they are EF-S or not. Also wider angle lenses require larger elements to prevent vignetting and a smaller sensor simplifies that aspect.

We also have Sony and Nikon as examples. Both sell $200 35mm f1.8 with modern AF motors and above average optics. Pentax has a similar one at f2.4.


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Jan 30, 2012 23:08 |  #8

There is absolutely no reason for Canon to do this considering their lens lineup. The 35mm f/2 is a fine lens even wide open. There has been talk of them updating this lens to a f/1.8 lens but that would probably come with a much higher price tag.


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Jan 30, 2012 23:12 |  #9

tkbslc wrote in post #13798139 (external link)
The reverse is actually true. The short backfocus (i.e. flange depth reduction) means there is less retrofocal design involved for EF-S. The longer lenses are already past that point and it literally makes no difference if they are EF-S or not. Also wider angle lenses require larger elements to prevent vignetting and a smaller sensor simplifies that aspect.

We also have Sony and Nikon as examples. Both sell $200 35mm f1.8 with modern AF motors and above average optics. Pentax has a similar one at f2.4.

My understanding is now much improved! Thank you.




  
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Jan 30, 2012 23:16 |  #10

tkbslc wrote in post #13798088 (external link)
That's a good reason right there. Who would buy a Sigma 30mm, which is known for AF problems, at $450, when there is a 30mm f1.8 from Canon for $250? You think that many people buy the Sigma in Sony or Nikon mounts anymore?

Many still probably. I doubt the Canon would match the Sigma in build quality, probably have a plastic mount, still only offer 1 yr warranty (versus 4 yrs), and f1.4 is still quite a bit faster than f1.8. I've held on to my 30 since it came out and it's outlasted almost every Canon lens in my bag. AF is bang-on and IQ is lovely.

That said, I'm sure it'd be a popular lens for Canon fanboys.




  
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Jan 30, 2012 23:26 |  #11

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Many still probably. I doubt the Canon would match the Sigma in build quality, probably have a plastic mount, still only offer 1 yr warranty (versus 4 yrs), and f1.4 is still quite a bit faster than f1.8. I've held on to my 30 since it came out and it's outlasted almost every Canon lens in my bag. AF is bang-on and IQ is lovely.

That said, I'm sure it'd be a popular lens for Canon fanboys.

you're back to your ole sigma shilling ways i see :D!

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Jan 30, 2012 23:28 |  #12

Actually, since 30mm is normal for APS-C it should be possible for Canon to design something like an EF-S 30mm f/1.0. I believe that is a lens that would generate some interest...


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Jan 30, 2012 23:29 |  #13

tkbslc wrote in post #13798088 (external link)
That's a good reason right there. Who would buy a Sigma 30mm, which is known for AF problems, at $450, when there is a 30mm f1.8 from Canon for $250? You think that many people buy the Sigma in Sony or Nikon mounts anymore?



Same reason Nikon and Sony did - there is a lot of demand. Nobody wants an f2.8 prime and the 35mm f2 and 28mm f1.8 have crept up in price. So there are solutions, but none that are attractive.

IMO Canon would create a lot of excitement for their 1.6x lineup with some wider, fast and affordable primes. Those would require them to be EF-S only.

1.6 crop and excitement shouldn't be used in the same sentence together :D!

what's holding you back from buying nikon or sony? bellyaching will avail you nothing. if you don't like what canon offers vote with your feet!

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Jan 30, 2012 23:29 |  #14

ed rader wrote in post #13798232 (external link)
you're back to your ole sigma shilling ways i see :D!

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Edward, now you of all people should know how unbiased I am. I get the best in each category and it don't matter which brand it is. Just see my sig.

As for my "Canon fanboys" comment, yes you may include yourself in that. :D




  
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Jan 30, 2012 23:37 as a reply to  @ LightRules's post |  #15

i'm a canon fanboy for sure. that's why i come here.

you guys that hate canon or troll for response here from the canon fauthful should go hang out on nikon site but i'm sure you'd be bellayaching and shilling there as well :D.

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