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Thinking about getting a 400mm Prime

 
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Feb 06, 2012 20:19 |  #16

CheshireCat wrote in post #13837416 (external link)
I think the 400/5.6 really needs to be updated with IS.
What about a 2x TC on your 70-200 while we wait for it ?
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Never tried the Sigma zoom, but the 2x on the 70-200 IS II is quite acceptable.

I can't believe a telephoto lens that big doesn't have IS systems built in.


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Feb 07, 2012 04:01 |  #17

KenjiS wrote in post #13837698 (external link)
From the couple I've played with...the 100-400 and the 400 f/5.6L prime, I'd take the 400mm f/5.6L prime if i was to do it over again...

it's the reverse for me, for sports and wildlife and all around versatile shooting I much preferred the 100-400 over the 400mm 5.6 prime




  
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Feb 07, 2012 04:44 |  #18

Been waiting for 400 5.6 IS for a long time. I almost run out of patience.


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Feb 07, 2012 05:07 as a reply to  @ Ze.Dong's post |  #19

Last year I agonised over the very decision you are making looking endlessly at posts I already have the 200mm f2.8 l and tried a 2x on it and the results were good but not great,
this link helped me :http://www.ophrysphoto​graphy.co.uk/index.htm (external link)
this guy knows his stuff and has a review the shows the 100-400 is closer to 380mm and the humble non IS 400mm 5.6 holds its own around some pretty good glass, check it out .
I now have had the 400mm for almost a year and can get reasonably sharp hand held shots ,but use,ing a mono pod the keeper rate is much higher.
last saturday my peach tree was invaded by some green parakeets and they had a good feast check out some of the detail from the non IS lens.
I think these were wide open


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Feb 07, 2012 05:46 as a reply to  @ Bazz8's post |  #20

Yeah.. EF300 f/4L IS + 1.4x TC is also a good 420mm...with IS ;)


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Feb 07, 2012 05:53 |  #21

FuturamaJSP wrote in post #13837678 (external link)
How about a 200L f2 IS with 2x tc?
It's actually sharper than the 70-200 f2.8 II with 2x tc
and cheaper than 400mm DO

http://www.the-digital-picture.com …omp=0&FLIComp=7​&APIComp=2 (external link)

One rule that I feel is always worth following... If you need a specific focal length, buy that exact focal length. Don't buy a shorter focal length and then use converters or extenders to get to the focal length you really need.

I have the 400mm 5.6 and its outstanding. Also, the 400mm 4.0 DO has the worst IQ of all the Canon telephotos. And the price is a joke. You'll far better off with the sharp 5.6.




  
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Feb 07, 2012 07:07 |  #22

1Tanker wrote in post #13840586 (external link)
Yeah.. EF300 f/4L IS + 1.4x TC is also a good 420mm...with IS ;)

+1 i use this combo all the time. during really good sunlight i use my 2x with this lens and get some pretty good shots at 600mm.
i'm just a hobbyist, though. i may be easily satisfied compared to a lot of people.




  
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Feb 07, 2012 16:56 |  #23

baj2k wrote in post #13837648 (external link)
Then you have the whole debate on Zoom's at a given focal lenth are "never" better than a prime of equal build quality at the same focal

The 70-200L/2.8 II is sharper than the 200L/2.8 prime.

It has a great 4-stops IS, and is quite acceptable for me at 400mm with the 2x TC. With "quite acceptable" I mean you will find the 400/5.6 prime sharper if you compare 100% crops, but still sharp enough to let me wait for the 400/5.6 IS without any doubt.
The AF of the zoom+TC combo is slower though.

I have recently tried the 400/4 DO. A stop faster, but definetly not worth the price. YMMV.

Come on, Canon has just released a 24mm with IS... The 400/5.6 IS must be near ;)


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Feb 07, 2012 17:23 |  #24

CheshireCat wrote in post #13844496 (external link)
The 70-200L/2.8 II is sharper than the 200L/2.8 prime.

It has a great 4-stops IS, and is quite acceptable for me at 400mm with the 2x TC. With "quite acceptable" I mean you will find the 400/5.6 prime sharper if you compare 100% crops, but still sharp enough to let me wait for the 400/5.6 IS without any doubt.
The AF of the zoom+TC combo is slower though.

I have recently tried the 400/4 DO. A stop faster, but definetly not worth the price. YMMV.

Come on, Canon has just released a 24mm with IS... The 400/5.6 IS must be near ;)

Yeah, and they tripled the price. :mad: You wanna pay~$4000 for a 400 f/5.6 IS?


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Feb 07, 2012 17:51 |  #25

1Tanker wrote in post #13844594 (external link)
Yeah, and they tripled the price. :mad: You wanna pay~$4000 for a 400 f/5.6 IS?

Exactly. There is no way a 400 F/5.6 IS will even be in the same price bracket, not even close, it would probably be around $3000 IMO.




  
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Feb 07, 2012 18:24 |  #26

1Tanker wrote in post #13844594 (external link)
Yeah, and they tripled the price. :mad: You wanna pay~$4000 for a 400 f/5.6 IS?

No way. But $2000 for a modern 400/5.6 with 4-stops IS might be a reasonable option.
Problem is Canon already has 5 lenses natively covering 400mm:

- 100-400 4.5-5.6 IS
- 400/5.6
- 400/4 DO IS
- 400/2.8 IS (the real thing, uberexpensive)
- 200-400/4 IS (delayed and probably superexpensive)

Would make more sense to reduce to only 3:

- 100-400 4.0-5.6 IS (much improved 4-stops version, $3000)
- 400/2.8 IS
- 200-400/4 IS


... So based on the above, the 400/5.6 would not be upgraded :(


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Feb 07, 2012 18:34 |  #27

CheshireCat wrote in post #13844496 (external link)
The 70-200L/2.8 II is sharper than the 200L/2.8 prime.

It has a great 4-stops IS, and is quite acceptable for me at 400mm with the 2x TC. With "quite acceptable" I mean you will find the 400/5.6 prime sharper if you compare 100% crops, but still sharp enough to let me wait for the 400/5.6 IS without any doubt.
The AF of the zoom+TC combo is slower though.

I have recently tried the 400/4 DO. A stop faster, but definetly not worth the price. YMMV.

Come on, Canon has just released a 24mm with IS... The 400/5.6 IS must be near ;)

And you've done tests to back this up?




  
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Feb 07, 2012 18:34 |  #28

Raylon wrote in post #13837434 (external link)
Is there any comparisons between the 400 5.6, 100-400, and the 70-200 2.8 II with 2x TC? I would be interested in seeing all these compared. I can imagine the 400 prime has the best IQ, but I'm wondering by how much it beats the other two.

here you go....

5.6 vs 100-400

http://www.the-digital-picture.com …omp=0&FLIComp=7​&APIComp=0 (external link)

5.6 vs 70-200 2.8 II + 2x TC

http://www.the-digital-picture.com …omp=0&FLIComp=7​&APIComp=0 (external link)

the 400 5.6 is clearly the best at 400mm for IQ/resolution...but you give up tremendous FL flexibility and probably handheld keepers without the IS that the other two provide.

I had the same decision to make, and decided on a used 100-400L that was an extremely sharp example from lensrentals.com (22/22 lp/min which bested ALL the 400MM DO primes for sale at the same time).....for just over $1100, and I could not be happier)


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Feb 07, 2012 18:57 |  #29

Here's a good 5.6 vs 100-400 with real world images...

http://www.luminous-landscape.com …enses/forgotten​-400.shtml (external link)




  
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Feb 07, 2012 19:29 |  #30

baj2k wrote in post #13845077 (external link)
Here's a good 5.6 vs 100-400 with real world images...

http://www.luminous-landscape.com …enses/forgotten​-400.shtml (external link)

Regardless of his dismissal that there was something 'off' with his 100-400, I would put my 100-400 against the f5.6 any day. I haven't ever seen results that poor with mine (that I didn't cause).

I agree that the 5.6 IS sharper; just not nearly by that much of a margin.


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