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Feb 06, 2012 20:22 |  #1

So, I'm looking around for a macro lens. Some reason I have my eyes on the Tamron 180mm macro. Now, most of my macro type shots I do are of flowers. Is 180mm too long for something like that, or should I go shorter with say the new Sigma 105 or even the Canon 100?

I know the longer focal length is good for insects and the like, but I've not done much in the way of that (though, it would be interesting to do). Local shops have neither the Canon or Tamron 180 in stock, so I can't just swing by there to check them out.

Any input?

I have a 40d and 24-70L at this time.


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Feb 06, 2012 22:32 |  #2

What are you using for your macro type shots now, the 24-70? Reverse mounting, macro tubes?


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Feb 06, 2012 22:34 |  #3

The more working distance, the better I think. I haven't used the Siggy, but I have the Canon and it's a nice lens.


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Feb 09, 2012 15:19 |  #4

I'm not using any tubes or anything. So it's not any type of real macro shot.


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Feb 09, 2012 15:32 |  #5

One consideration is that with a longer focal length, given the same framing and aperture, you'll have a narrower DOF. That can be both a good and a bad thing. 180mm for flowers seems a bit on the long side. I prefer shorter focal lengths for flowers as I can get closer without other things getting in the way, and I don't have to stop down as much to actually get a meaningful amount of the subject in focus.


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Feb 09, 2012 15:33 |  #6

180 will be fine. Plus if/when you do shoot a bug (bee on a flower) then you still have the working distance. The longer the focal legnth, the better bokeh you'll have for the same framing too. The photo can be found is several of Bryan's macro lens reviews at The Digital Picture .com

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Feb 09, 2012 15:43 |  #7

On your 40D, a 180mm is a pretty long lens. Shooting close-ups and macro, it will require some significant working distance, probably a tripod most of the time since you will need to stop it down for adequate depth of field. Unless you want the compression of a longer telephoto lens and/or super thin depth of field effects, I'd suggest a shorter lens for use on your crop camera. The background blur shown above is a bit misleading... By itself, the background blur isn't a reason to choose the longer lens (note, too, that Kawi_200 is shooting with full frame camera). All you have to do to get greater blur with the shorter lenses is open up the 100mm to f8 or so, and the 60mm to f5.6 or f4, to get similar blur effects.

I've had the Canon 180/3.5L for many years and, frankly, used it little when I was only shooting with crop DSLRs. Occasionally if shooting anything that stings or bites or is poisonous, perhaps. But mostly I only use it on film/full frame. It's just a pretty darned long lens on a crop camera. 150mm and up macro lenses are fairly specialized, often not as fast focusing and less dual purpose.

The 24-70L can do close to 1:4 or one quarter life size, all on it's own. Call it close-up, if not macro. You could just add an extension tube or two to that lens (the Kenko sets are good) to be able to focus a lot closer and get higher magnification. It holds up well and gives nice quality shots with extension rings.

If you prefer a true macro lens, which will be easier in some respects than working with extension tubes, I'd recommend something in the 60mm to 105mm range. Those are the easiest to handhold for relatively casual macro shooting, and yet can be used for full 1:1 if needed (can even be used for higher magnification if needed, by adding extension tubes).

The suggested range still offers a lot of possible choices:

Canon EF-S 60/2.8 (fairly compact, USM, crop only)
Tamron 60mm f2.0 (unusually fast aperture so it should double well as a portrait lens, nice price, relatively compact, crop only)
Sigma 70/2.8
Tamron 90,2.8
Tokina 100/2.8
Canon 100/2.8 USM
Canon 100/2.8L IS
Sigma 105/2.8
Sigma 105/2.8 OS

The two Canon lenses have a few advantages:
- They both are USM, so can double nicely for non-macro uses (some Sigma are similar HSM, some Tamron are similar USD).
- They both have focus limiter switches, which also helps them focus faster for non-macro work, making them more dual purpose.
- They both can be fitted with a tripod mounting ring (sold separately... Canon's is expensive, but there are cheaper clones on eBay and elsewhere that seem fine). This is a handy thing to have!
- They are IF or Internal Focus lenses..... This makes them bigger, but they don't grow in length when focused really close. Many macro lenses have a huge amount of extension when focused to 1:1. This cuts into your working distance.
- The 100L has IS.... I don't know that it's all that useful for macro shooting, but it might be handy for non-macro work. (Note, at least one Sigma now has OS, their version of IS.)

As to image quality... You really can't go very far wrong with any of the above. Check out specific lenses you might be considering on the Lens Sample Photo Archive sub-forum attached to this forum. You can find examples made with practically any lens there.

You can get some idea how 60mm or 70mm lens would "feel", from your 24-70... even if it's not all that "macro" by itself.


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Feb 09, 2012 15:51 |  #8

Yeah. I've been debating a lot on it. My original idea was to get the 135L and extension tubes.

So, I'm down to the Canon 100 (nonL) and Tokina 100. I've owned Tokina in the past and really like the build quality of them.

Dislike the fact that the Canon does not come with a hood.


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Feb 09, 2012 15:58 |  #9

Nocturnus wrote in post #13857490 (external link)
Dislike the fact that the Canon does not come with a hood.

You can fix that quite inexpensively - I bought my 100 macro used and the dude had an aftermarket hood on it. Works great, probably cost $10.




  
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Feb 09, 2012 16:00 |  #10

Yeah.. I did have the 100mm 2.8 while back and spent extra for the hood. I'm digging around the Tokina 100 thread to see how it is. I know how the Canon 2.8 is, since I owned it and was a great fast lens, which is why that would prob be the one I get.

And after seeing a image of the Tokina extended.. I'll pass.


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Feb 09, 2012 16:30 |  #11

I've got, and use regularly, the 100 2.8 L macro and apart from the obvious I use it for a lot of portraits too. The 100 L does come with a hood, which I hardly ever use when taking macro, and has a MFD of around 10" and can be used handheld comfortably with the IS, and it gives brilliant IQ and very nice bokeh. Not sure what your budget is, but if you can afford it, you wont be disappointed.


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Feb 09, 2012 16:32 |  #12

I have the 100mm non L macro! I am super happy with the performance of this lens! It is exceptional sharp when shooting non macro object, I use it as my portraits lens all the time! I personally won't go for the 180mm, especially u are using a crop body, it is very hard to use with IS for this matter!


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