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Feb 15, 2012 15:22 |  #196

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The verdict of course is not in on what the next 5D (or 3D, or ??) will offer, but it has become very apparent both Nikon and Canon appear to be defining a clear line between a professional sports/action camera, and a semi-pro/pro landscape/portrait instrument. I am really anxious to see what Canon releases to counter the D800. However, better be soon, many folks are talking about jumping ship.


Given the $3000 price point, I'm guessing the competition could be a 5D Mark III. I'm also confused about Nikon's claim that the 36MP count is the highest on a DSLR. The Sigma SD1 has 42MP, doesn't that count?


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Feb 15, 2012 15:26 |  #197

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...In regards to your querry on 'what exactly is the disruptive tech?' just refer to your explanation of the iphone. It may not impress you but the marketing appeal of 36MP v 26 (say) CANNOT be denied....

Market appeal is a necessary but not sufficient component for what is referred to as "disruptive technology". Think of it as a major game changer. A major change in the technology (CD v vinyl) or a major change in distribution (mp3 download v CD, Netflix v DVD rental stores) or a major change in manufacturing (Model T v buggies) or a major chance in market segment (iPhone v Blackberry, also Model T v buggies).

None of those apply to the D800, barring something unknown at this time (e.g. a major step change in the physics of sensors that Canon cannot duplicate... the history of ICs says this is unlikely... not impossible, just unlikely).


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Feb 15, 2012 15:32 |  #198

jemanner wrote in post #13903489 (external link)
T...it has become very apparent both Nikon and Canon appear to be defining a clear line between a professional sports/action camera, and a semi-pro/pro landscape/portrait instrument...

This is not new, is it?


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Feb 15, 2012 15:34 |  #199
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RTPVid wrote in post #13903743 (external link)
This is not new, is it?

The line was wafer thin with the D3 Vs D700, however Nikon widened the gap again by releasing a D3s.


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Feb 16, 2012 09:34 |  #200

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Because I consider it completely absurd. I'm sure some people would love 36MP so they can print wall size prints, but seriously, I struggle ever needing the 21MP of a 5DII even though I print large(ish, OK, not that huge). Plus, it's going to destroy the processing work flow speed of my computer!

New Technology, bring it on!

I am sure people that originally bought 286 computers with 100 mb hard drives felt they had the most kick ass computer going...and they did for a short while. Probably debated loudly when those new fangled 386 & 486 computers came out that this much computer power was totally not needed. Now your smart phone has hundreds of times more power than the first desk top computers.

I am not sure why many people buy something then are upset in 6 months when their previous 'state of the art' purchase no longer is. If it is still filling your needs, who cares if it is not the latest and greatest?

It is a simple fact of marketing, that companies want you to be disatisfied with what you currently own, so that you dump it and buy the newest. That is how companies stay in business.

I am happy that companies continually strive to improve their products. At first some of the new technogy can be expensive, but over time the price comes down and this technology trickles down to the lower priced lines, for example my current T2i.

Remember when the first Plasma 42" TV's were, $10,000 to $12,000? Now you get one free when you buy a new matress.

So I will say again, new technology, bring it on. Can't wait to see where we will be in 10 years, but at the same time I will continue to happily work with what I currently own.


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Feb 20, 2012 21:21 |  #201

mwsilver wrote in post #13903675 (external link)
Given the $3000 price point, I'm guessing the competition could be a 5D Mark III. I'm also confused about Nikon's claim that the 36MP count is the highest on a DSLR. The Sigma SD1 has 42MP, doesn't that count?

Nope. You have to count the photosites differently for a Foveon sensor to come up with it's equivalent resolution compared to a Bayer filter sensor. From what I recall, when tested the Foveon gave about the same resolution as a Bayer with 2/3 the MPs (although some calculate the resolution of a Foveon to be 1/3 Bayer).

Right now the D800 has the highest resolution FF DSLR sensor. It wouldn't surprise me to see the 5D MK III or 5Dx, or whatever it will be called, have even higher resolution.


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Feb 20, 2012 21:24 |  #202

mwsilver wrote in post #13903675 (external link)
Given the $3000 price point, I'm guessing the competition could be a 5D Mark III. I'm also confused about Nikon's claim that the 36MP count is the highest on a DSLR. The Sigma SD1 has 42MP, doesn't that count?

A fleeting number, 36MP, I hope! Canon, are you listening?


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Feb 20, 2012 21:36 |  #203

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A fleeting number, 36MP, I hope! Canon, are you listening?

Well, for some of us 36+ MP is a huge disappointment. I'm in that camp.

If the camera technology was there to be able to shoot 5-6 fps FF 14 bit RAW files with improved high ISO results over the 5D MKII or D700 then fantastic. However the processing speed isn't built into these cameras yet so the 4 fps of the D800 is a huge fail for me. An a further fail is that it doesn't appear that the images show any improvement in high ISO noise.

I'm still hoping that Nikon will announce a true D700 successor using the sensor from the D4. Probably wishful thinking :)


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Feb 20, 2012 23:30 |  #204

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Well, for some of us 36+ MP is a huge disappointment. I'm in that camp.

If the camera technology was there to be able to shoot 5-6 fps FF 14 bit RAW files with improved high ISO results over the 5D MKII or D700 then fantastic. However the processing speed isn't built into these cameras yet so the 4 fps of the D800 is a huge fail for me. An a further fail is that it doesn't appear that the images show any improvement in high ISO noise.

That's because you're looking at the image at 100%, so you're blowing the image up a lot more than you would if you compared the images on an apples-to-apples basis: by downsizing the larger image to match the resolution of the smaller image.

If you do that, you'll find the D800's images to be rather impressive. From the few images I've seen, the D800 does at ISO 6400 what the D700 does (roughly), but at 3 times the resolution, so if you downsize the D800's images to 12 megapixels, you wind up getting a nearly 1 2/3 stop improvement in noise over what you see at 100% magnification.

I'm still hoping that Nikon will announce a true D700 successor using the sensor from the D4. Probably wishful thinking :)

That would be nice, but for different reasons: it'll make it possible to shoot at faster frame rates.


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Feb 20, 2012 23:59 |  #205
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I hope they wont make the Canon 5d Mk III have 36 MP. Why?
Because I simply never crop, I usually THINK about my composition BEFORE I take the picture, so there is hardly ever a need for me to crop, and if there is - the MP of the 5D MK II are plenty.
But on the other hand, I sometimes miss a shot because of the slow FPS, or see some noise at 3600.

Also, my 500GB External hard-drive is already almost full, a 36MP Camera would fill it up even more quickly ;)


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Feb 21, 2012 00:21 |  #206

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Also, my 500GB External hard-drive is already almost full, a 36MP Camera would fill it up even more quickly ;)

Amen to that. I shoot large raw and large jpeg. One landscape in those two formats can be well in excess of 40MB. One hundred pictures would come to around 4GB and that's for an 18MP sensor At 36MP would the files be twice as large? Four times as large? How many shots could I even get on a 16MB SD card ? Two Hundred? Less?


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Feb 21, 2012 00:26 |  #207

What I'm confused about is that if file size is a concern, why can't SRAW + Medium JPG be used instead?

What possible justification is there to want less for more? If you don't need that functionality, can't you just turn it off?


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Feb 21, 2012 01:30 |  #208

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What I'm confused about is that if file size is a concern, why can't SRAW + Medium JPG be used instead?

What possible justification is there to want less for more? If you don't need that functionality, can't you just turn it off?

That's what I would think, too. Especially as regards noise. Downsize the image (as in mRAW or sRAW) and the noise goes away in proportion to the decrease in resolution.

But for some reason, mRAW/sRAW don't seem to reduce the size of the resulting files as much as you'd expect.


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Feb 21, 2012 05:08 |  #209
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mwsilver wrote in post #13934020 (external link)
Amen to that. I shoot large raw and large jpeg. One landscape in those two formats can be well in excess of 40MB. One hundred pictures would come to around 4GB and that's for an 18MP sensor At 36MP would the files be twice as large? Four times as large? How many shots could I even get on a 16MB SD card ? Two Hundred? Less?

By shooting lossless compressed you save quite allot on file size.


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Feb 21, 2012 06:24 |  #210

RhysPhotograph.Me wrote in post #13934632 (external link)
By shooting lossless compressed you save quite allot on file size.

Do you mean selecting one of the smaller raw formats? Wouldn't I lose some resolution? If you didn't mean that, than I'm not sure what shooting lossless means.


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