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Feb 07, 2012 06:16 as a reply to  @ post 13840572 |  #31

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Are you tied at the hip to the 5D series? If the specs don't work for you, then buy a different camera. There's so many choices out there...

Ok, I would like a full frame camera with an EF lens mount that does not have a permanent vertical grip. What are my choices...?


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Feb 07, 2012 06:25 |  #32

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Fair points gentlemen, and I probably will not get a 5D at 36MP it that's what's released. Everyone is different and I guess I have very specific requirements. I want 18 to 24MP in full frame, very solid body (aka EOS 3), excellent low light, and a half decent AF system. High FPS not required. That's all!

What is the issue with the AF in the 5D2 for your needs?

I love my 5D2 AF's better then my 1D4. I use only the centre point and recompose the shot.
In a low light situation, my 5D2 will achieve focus with the centre when my 1D4 will not...Don't forget that the centre point on the 5DII has 6 other points to help it achieve focus in low light.


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Feb 07, 2012 06:29 |  #33

I actually agree with the OG poster. I think 36mp is absurd. Now, sure for some big printing applications or something it has merit. But in all reality 36mp just means that these camera companies are in bed with the hard drive folks!

Obviously the comment still persists - who cares dont buy it. But it actually forces everyone else to follow the lead and now those numbers will just keep increasing. Lets hope those floods in Taiwan subside and they can start pumping out massive HD's.


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Feb 07, 2012 06:37 |  #34

sebmour wrote in post #13840655 (external link)
What is the issue with the AF in the 5D2 for your needs?

I love my 5D2 AF's better then my 1D4. I use only the centre point and recompose the shot.
In a low light situation, my 5D2 will achieve focus with the centre when my 1D4 will not...Don't forget that the centre point on the 5DII has 6 other points to help it achieve focus in low light.

They're only turned on when in AI Servo. Since I am usually in AI Servo, I do admit that the 5DII will focus in very low light. At least for the shooting conditions I often find myself in. Under those conditions I am more concerned with noise than focusing.


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Feb 07, 2012 06:38 |  #35

For another $600.00, you get 15 more mp, 51 AF points(costs 4k+ to get on a 1d series), 4fps, video, SD AND CF slots and all the doodads you could want. Nikon looks a bit appetizing?

I hope the new 5d replacement is announced soon! I'm getting impatient :-(


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Feb 07, 2012 11:47 |  #36

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I actually agree with the OG poster. I think 36mp is absurd. Now, sure for some big printing applications or something it has merit. But in all reality 36mp just means that these camera companies are in bed with the hard drive folks!

Funny, that's what they said about the 1Ds3 when it was released with a whopping 21 megapixels, and when the 50D was released with a whopping 15 megapixels.

Nowadays, everyone buys the 5D2 because it's got that ultra-high-resolution full frame sensor which makes it the best camera for landscapes and portraits.


Well, guess what? The Nikon D800 now takes first place for the very things people have been praising the 5D2 for: portraits and, especially, landscapes.


Make up your mind. Either you want a bunch of resolution or you don't. If you don't, go buy a 5D classic or, horrors of horrors, a crop camera. Or use mRAW on the 5D2 or the 7D or 60D.


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Feb 07, 2012 11:53 |  #37

It's pretty easy to shoot mRAW.


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Feb 07, 2012 12:01 |  #38

tkbslc wrote in post #13842360 (external link)
It's pretty easy to shoot mRAW.

Exactly. It's one of the reasons I have no problem with larger resolutions.

Dunno if Nikon has an equivalent, though...


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Feb 07, 2012 12:11 |  #39

Wissigle wrote in post #13839242 (external link)
Fair points gentlemen, and I probably will not get a 5D at 36MP it that's what's released. Everyone is different and I guess I have very specific requirements. I want 18 to 24MP in full frame, very solid body (aka EOS 3), excellent low light, and a half decent AF system. High FPS not required. That's all!

Sounds like the 1Dx is right up your alley then...


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Feb 07, 2012 12:16 |  #40

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Take back everything I just said. Holy ****, look at these images:

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http://imaging.nikon.c​om …img/sample02/im​g_05_l.jpg (external link)

Yea, Holy Moly! Is it the lens? Or is it the sensor? Maybe I might want to pick up a Nikon after all :)




  
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Feb 07, 2012 12:21 |  #41

tkbslc wrote in post #13842360 (external link)
It's pretty easy to shoot mRAW.

>60% of the price of a camera comes from the sensor. Spend $3000 on a camera then shoot in mRAW? That sounds like a costly solution.


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Feb 07, 2012 12:30 |  #42

kcbrown wrote in post #13842332 (external link)
Funny, that's what they said about the 1Ds3 when it was released with a whopping 21 megapixels, and when the 50D was released with a whopping 15 megapixels.

Convenient rewriting of history. People complained about the 21Mp on the 1DsIII because of what it did to the 1Ds's lowlight ability (choked it). File size was rarely the issue, though it did come up (and still does).

The 50D cranked up industry leading MP on its itty bitty sensor and then got dragged over the coals for industry leading banding. Another low point for Canon, coming not far after the 1DIII debacle.

Nowadays, everyone buys the 5D2 because it's got that ultra-high-resolution full frame sensor which makes it the best camera for landscapes and portraits.

Videographers think you are making this up as you go. More specifically, what FF options exist for Canon shooters that you could vet your assumption against? All things being equal, would the 5DII have sold just as much had it 16MP? I think it would have possibly sold more (with the performance gains lower MP implies), but neither of us know for sure.

Make up your mind. Either you want a bunch of resolution or you don't. If you don't, go buy a 5D classic or, horrors of horrors, a crop camera. Or use mRAW on the 5D2 or the 7D or 60D.

There has been very little flip-flopping here. People want better pixels, not more pixels. (Over a year ago, DigitalRev had a poll with 3000+ respondants and higher MP was the 8th most requested feature in an upcoming camera.) And it's been that way for a very long time and it will stay that way for a very long time. High MP'ers are in the minority - though I expect them to be coming out of the workwork en masse shortly.


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Feb 07, 2012 12:31 |  #43

Indecent Exposure wrote in post #13842535 (external link)
>60% of the price of a camera comes from the sensor. Spend $3000 on a camera then shoot in mRAW? That sounds like a costly solution.

But the cost of the sensor probably doesn't change significantly with resolution.

Bottom line is this: if high resolution bothers you, you can shoot at a lower resolution (at least on the Canon side of the fence). But if the cameras were natively lower resolution and you actually wanted higher resolution, you'd have no options.

It's better to have resolution and not need it, than to need it and not have it, especially when Canon makes it painless to get lower resolutions if that's what you prefer.


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Feb 07, 2012 12:34 |  #44

I think macro photographers will want the expected 32MP as cropping of tiny subjects will be even better.


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Feb 07, 2012 12:34 |  #45

Indecent Exposure wrote in post #13842584 (external link)
There has been very little flip-flopping here. People want better pixels, not more pixels. (Over a year ago, DigitalRev had a poll with 3000+ respondants and higher MP was the 8th most requested feature in an upcoming camera.) And it's been that way for a very long time and it will stay that way for a very long time. High MP'ers are in the minority - though I expect them to be coming out of the workwork en masse shortly.

Have you noticed what happens to the pixels when you shoot in mRAW or sRAW? They get better!

Amazing, that.

So you do get better pixels when you get more pixels, as long as the noise floor continues to drop on a per-square-millimeter basis.

More resolution means you get to choose where on the resolution versus noise curve you want to be. Less resolution means that choice is made for you. Which do you prefer? I prefer flexibility.


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