Who's making the switch to Nikon / D800

Todd Lambert wrote in post #14214767
LOL!

This has nothing to do with brand allegiance or fanboy antics. I give credit where credit is due... and Nikon deserves credit with the 14-24.

There is no lens out there, that can do what it can do. It's been that way for a good while now, and I certainly, keep hoping that Canon will have an answer for it someday, but as of yet, it is still unrivaled by anyone and hence, deserving of the title of "legendary".

I wasn't the one who introduced 'fanboy' here.

Is the 14-24 a great lens? Yes but if you don't need those 2mm on the wide end both the Nikon 16-35 and Tokina 16-28 are also good. Unlike some, I like to try things for myself and have the rental bills to prove it. In this case I won't be trying the 14-24 because of several reasons, 1) cost 2) I don't shoot wider than 24mm on FF often and 3) I'm not a pro by my definition of what a pro is. The Tokina was cheap enough to try, if I don't like it I'll buy the Nikon 16-35 VR and be done with it.

K6AZ wrote in post #14214803
I wasn't the one who introduced 'fanboy' here.

Is the 14-24 a great lens? Yes but if you don't need those 2mm on the wide end both the Nikon 16-35 and Tokina 16-28 are also good. Unlike some, I like to try things for myself and have the rental bills to prove it. In this case I won't be trying the 14-24 because of several reasons, 1) cost 2) I don't shoot wider than 24mm on FF often and 3) I'm not a pro by my definition of what a pro is. The Tokina was cheap enough to try, if I don't like it I'll buy the Nikon 16-35 VR and be done with it.

The 16-35 f4 VR imo does better in the corners when compared to the 17-40 L and 16-35 L. Flare control isn't bad but, the edge still goes to the 14-24.

airfrogusmc wrote in post #14214801
I agree. I have a good bud has Nikon and has that lens. Pretty darn good for a wide zoom.

I'm very picky about wide angle glass whether it be a zoom or prime. The Nikon 14-24 is impressive imho.

jdizzle wrote in post #14214792
Todd, sorry to burst your bubble but, the 16-35 II isn't all that. When compared to the Nikon 14-24 in IQ and corner performance, the Nikon is without a doubt the better performer. Why do you think I sold my 16-35 II to go out of my way to adapt it to EOS?

I was referring to the 16-35 and the way it handles flare. There isn't a better lens that I've found than the 16-35, when it comes to flaring. It's not only about eliminating it if at all possible (certainly not possible in all cases, of course) it's about how it handles it. The 16-35 is probably one of the best lenses for actually using flaring as an advantage.

The 16-35 is mushy in the corners when compared to other lenses, no doubt about that and I don't claim otherwise.

K6AZ wrote in post #14214474
When you get caught up with terms for describing a lens as 'legendary' you're hopelessly lost in brand/model loyalty. Third party lenses have come a long way and this particular lens has had very good reviews even when compared directly with the Nikon and Canon lenses. And as I said earlier NO lens is immune from flare under the right conditions. while better than most the Canon 16-35 will exhibit it under the right conditions.

To be fair the 14-24mm is legendary. I don't think that's overstating it.
http://www.16-9.net …17mm/nikon1424_​17mm1.html

I think if the Tokina is in the ballpark of the Canon 16-35mm f/2.8L II at a significantly lower price it will be a success. I'd be surprised if it comes anywhere close to the Nikon 14-24mm though since the Nikon sets the bar so high. It really is an exceptionally good lens--the best UWA zoom ever, as far as I know. Not measuring up to it is nothing to be ashamed of.

K6AZ wrote in post #14214803
I wasn't the one who introduced 'fanboy' here.

Is the 14-24 a great lens? Yes but if you don't need those 2mm on the wide end both the Nikon 16-35 and Tokina 16-28 are also good. Unlike some, I like to try things for myself and have the rental bills to prove it. In this case I won't be trying the 14-24 because of several reasons, 1) cost 2) I don't shoot wider than 24mm on FF often and 3) I'm not a pro by my definition of what a pro is. The Tokina was cheap enough to try, if I don't like it I'll buy the Nikon 16-35 VR and be done with it.

I already said that if the Tokina works for your needs, then that's great. The issue I brought up, was that it can't replace Canon or Nikon's offerings... and most assuredly, cannot replace a lens such as the 14-24.

I do a lot of wide angle work, and to me, the details are important enough to warrant spending the extra money on a Canon or Nikon lens.

Todd Lambert wrote in post #14214828
I was referring to the 16-35 and the way it handles flare. There isn't a better lens that I've found than the 16-35, when it comes to flaring. It's not only about eliminating it if at all possible (certainly not possible in all cases, of course) it's about how it handles it. The 16-35 is probably one of the best lenses for actually using flaring as an advantage.

The 16-35 is mushy in the corners when compared to other lenses, no doubt about that and I don't claim otherwise.

For a UWA zoom, it handles flare very well. Now, put it up against the 17 TS,24 TS II, and 24 L 1.4 II.

K6AZ wrote in post #14214474
When you get caught up with terms for describing a lens as 'legendary' you're hopelessly lost in brand/model loyalty.

K6AZ wrote in post #14214803
I wasn't the one who introduced 'fanboy' here.

Is there a distinction between someone who is "hopelessly lost in brand/model loyalty" and a "fanboy"? I thought that's exactly what a fanboy is.

jdizzle wrote in post #14214823
I'm very picky about wide angle glass whether it be a zoom or prime. The Nikon 14-24 is impressive imho.

To bad you didn't give the 21 summilux a spin when you had the M9. Its amazing.

jdizzle wrote in post #14214850
For a UWA zoom, it handles flare very well. Now, put it up against the 17 TS,24 TS II, and 24 L 1.4 II.

Yes, those damn 17 and 24 TS-E are incredible. I'd have both, if they were faster. I will still probably get the 17, just because it's an awesome lens and I could use it for landscape and architecture work.

I chose the 24L over the TS-E because of it's speed.

The 16-35 works well for my night stuff for the wider end of things, but I think it might be replaced by the upcoming 15 Zeiss... Really looking forward to that.

airfrogusmc wrote in post #14214875
To bad you didn't give the 21 summilux a spin when you had the M9. Its amazing.

I know. I've seen what it's capable of and there's nothing that can come close at similar FLs.

Todd, I'm wating for Steve Perry to get his hands on the D800. If he can create great images with the D3X, I can just imagine what he can do with the D800.

http://www.fredmiranda​.com/forum/topic/11009​33

DarthVader wrote in post #13843467
Where is "Loyal Pentax fan for life" option ?.

my neighbor just picked up a use done.. 20d.. and i like the feel of it.. and IS built into camera.. wooooo

Todd Lambert wrote in post #14214887
Yes, those damn 17 and 24 TS-E are incredible. I'd have both, if they were faster. I will still probably get the 17, just because it's an awesome lens and I could use it for landscape and architecture work.

I chose the 24L over the TS-E because of it's speed.

The 16-35 works well for my night stuff for the wider end of things, but I think it might be replaced by the upcoming 15 Zeiss... Really looking forward to that.

The Zeiss 15mm is going to be the new UWA champ from what I've seen. Let's go ahead and call it a legend before it's time.

Are you happy with the 24L? Seems like a great lens from all I've seen. I'm thinking about Nikon's 24mm/1.4 for my D800 as well. I want at least one f/1.4 lens in my bag and it may as well be in my favorite focal length.

jdizzle wrote in post #14214933
Todd, I'm wating for Steve Perry to get his hands on the D800. If he can create great images with the D3X, I can just imagine what he can do with the D800.

http://www.fredmiranda​.com/forum/topic/11009​33

I've been enjoying that image a lot as well. I need to try that focus stacking...looks pretty amazing on that Death Valley cracked earth!