Who's making the switch to Nikon / D800

Drozz119 wrote in post #13917930
I thought that it's more to do with pixels on target than pixel density.

If you take a d7000 with an 85mm lens and a d800 with a 135mm lens.. They'll have close to the same field of view. The d800 will have 36 million pixels on target and the d700 will have 16 million. If they were both 16mp.. They would have the same motion blur.

In reality.. the d800 has more than twice as much blur at the pixel level. Probably why the d800 promo has it in the introduction and the d7000 does not.

I was using the D7000 as an argument for diffraction, not motion blur.

Motion blur will be the same for any given field of view on any camera. Just that, on a low-resolution sensor, you may only see one pixel of blur (because the distance of blur only covers one pixel) while, on a high-resolution sensor, you may see three or four pixels of blur. Essentially, the single pixel of blur you see on a low-resolution sensor now covers three or four pixels on the high-resolution sensor.

But you still don't get any loss of quality - sure, you'll see more blur on a pixel level, but a 100% crop of a 36MP sensor represents a much higher magnification than a 100% crop on a 12MP sensor. Shrink the 36MP image down to 12MP and the motion blur will appear the same. It's the same thing with noise, really - you may see more noise per pixel in a 36MP sensor, but shrink it down to 12MP and it will look better than the native 12MP sensor.

And, of course, if you shoot with a tripod, or have some other way of mitigating motion blur, the 36MP sensor will give you much more detail than the 12MP sensor.

Well hurry up and get your 800 Shadowblade and show everyone how it's going to be the end all of cameras and report back please .

Shadowblade wrote in post #13917950
But you still don't get any loss of quality - sure, you'll see more blur on a pixel level, but a 100% crop of a 36MP sensor represents a much higher magnification than a 100% crop on a 12MP sensor. Shrink the 36MP image down to 12MP and the motion blur will appear the same. It's the same thing with noise, really - you may see more noise per pixel in a 36MP sensor, but shrink it down to 12MP and it will look better than the native 12MP sensor.

Agree that you won't see any loss of quality, however if you have poor technique you won't necessarily see an improvement either. Lot's will complain when they first start using the D800 because it will expose their poor technique ... which will be the camera's fault of course.

I will not switch, but I have a friend who is already selling his Canon gear. Things does not look good for Canon this time.

I mean, if you see one person who is switching because of the D800, you can be sure that there are many many others doing the same thing.

Tonyz wrote in post #13918410
I mean, if you see one person who is switching because of the D800, you can be sure that there are many many others doing the same thing.

So true. Canon's quality isn't obscenely low, it's of course very decent. That's not what I'm worried about. It's market share, it's business. Right now Nikon looks like the little company with big ideas and that's the key to stealing market share from Canon. Canon looks like the enormous company that's flopping. Seems like an Apple/Microsoft dynamic.

Let's pray Canon redeem themselves on the 26th. They've been a marvelous company for so long, they can't have lost their mojo altogether.

Tonyz wrote in post #13918410
I will not switch, but I have a friend who is already selling his Canon gear. Things does not look good for Canon this time.

I mean, if you see one person who is switching because of the D800, you can be sure that there are many many others doing the same thing.

I won't sell mine, but if the d800 reports look as good from people not on the Nikon payroll as they do now, I'll pick on up and get a couple of lenses for it.

snaphappyphotography wrote in post #13918456
So true. Canon's quality isn't obscenely low, it's of course very decent. That's not what I'm worried about. It's market share, it's business. Right now Nikon looks like the little company with big ideas and that's the key to stealing market share from Canon. Canon looks like the enormous company that's flopping. Seems like an Apple/Microsoft dynamic.

Let's pray Canon redeem themselves on the 26th. They've been a marvelous company for so long, they can't have lost their mojo altogether.

I would think the events last year in Japan have had something to do with R&D , supplys , loss of personal...etc to some extent . It's possible Nikon was spared more so than Canon with setbacks and the like so it may be Canon has been out of the gate a bit slower with new designs and gear . I think in time things will even out .

Bob_A wrote in post #13918113
Agree that you won't see any loss of quality, however if you have poor technique you won't necessarily see an improvement either. Lot's will complain when they first start using the D800 because it will expose their poor technique ... which will be the camera's fault of course.

Nikon is well aware of this, that's why anyone considering this camera should read their technical guide:

http://www.nikonusa.co​m …800_TechnicalGu​ide_En.pdf

This camera fits my style of shooting perfectly, 90% of which is on a tripod. It is NOT a sports / action cam where handheld technique is critical.

As far as Nikon versus Canon, don't count Canon out. How many times have we seen the back-and-forth between these two companies, one making a giant leap then the other making a counter-giant leap. 36 megapixels is not for everyone, you're going to need a suped-up computer to not just be sitting and waiting for things to download or render. If the 5D3 and 1Dx pan out, Canon will be just fine, and that's coming from a Nikonian. Nikon has definitely thrown down the gauntlet, it may be their time in the sun, but that time won't last forever.

Nicholas
www.copperhillimages.c​om

I can see 50% of POTN members moving to Nikon .

Tonyz wrote in post #13918410
I will not switch, but I have a friend who is already selling his Canon gear. Things does not look good for Canon this time.

I mean, if you see one person who is switching because of the D800, you can be sure that there are many many others doing the same thing.

One thing I want in my next camera is better weather sealing (along with no pattern noise, dual cards, good AF etc) and I don't see Canon moving from their refusal to give that in anything but their top cameras.

So I'll wait until the reviews are out for both new cameras, but very likely my next 8 or 9 $k will be spent on Nikon body and a few lenses.

So I do think the d800 might be a watershed for Nikon, although eventually I think Canon will counter in most areas.

Either way I am so glad Nikon took such a bold move with the d800 to force the evolution of dslrs. On paper it is the best match of a camera body for my shooting style (tripod, low iso, pixel peeper).

I make no pretense of being a good photographer, but it's my money so I buy what amuses me. Part of my enjoyment is the gear.

Turning wrote in post #13919474
One thing I want in my next camera is better weather sealing (along with no pattern noise, dual cards, good AF etc) and I don't see Canon moving from their refusal to give that in anything but their top cameras.

So I'll wait until the reviews are out for both new cameras, but very likely my next 8 or 9 $k will be spent on Nikon body and a few lenses.

So I do think the d800 might be a watershed for Nikon, although eventually I think Canon will counter in most areas.

Either way I am so glad Nikon took such a bold move with the d800 to force the evolution of dslrs. On paper it is the best match of a camera body for my shooting style (tripod, low iso, pixel peeper).

I make no pretense of being a good photographer, but it's my money so I buy what amuses me. Part of my enjoyment is the gear.

What Nikon have realised, and Canon need to realise, is that the D800 and 5D series are top-of-the-line cameras.

The D4 is a low-resolution, high-speed, shoot-in-the-dark action camera. This leaves the D800 as Nikon's top-of-the-line low-speed, high-resolution, high IQ camera. There's no room above it for a D4x - I mean, what other features could you include?

Similarly, the 1Dx is Canon's low-resolution, high-speed, shoot-in-the-dark action camera. Which leaves room for a 5D3 (or whatever) as a top-of-the-line low speed, high-resolution, high IQ camera, at a similar price point to the 5D and D800 series. With the D800 out there, it will have to be the successor to both the 5D2 and the 1Ds3 - there's no way Canon could get away with releasing a 1D-type body with a high-resolution sensor and low frame rate and sell it for $7k, when the D800 offers exactly the same thing for less than half the price. So, it makes sense to pack the 5D2 successor with all the pro features previously restricted to the 1D line. It's either that or risk annihilation by the D800.

Shadowblade wrote in post #13919515
What Nikon have realised, and Canon need to realise, is that the D800 and 5D series are top-of-the-line cameras.

The D4 is a low-resolution, high-speed, shoot-in-the-dark action camera. This leaves the D800 as Nikon's top-of-the-line low-speed, high-resolution, high IQ camera. There's no room above it for a D4x - I mean, what other features could you include?

Similarly, the 1Dx is Canon's low-resolution, high-speed, shoot-in-the-dark action camera. Which leaves room for a 5D3 (or whatever) as a top-of-the-line low speed, high-resolution, high IQ camera, at a similar price point to the 5D and D800 series. With the D800 out there, it will have to be the successor to both the 5D2 and the 1Ds3 - there's no way Canon could get away with releasing a 1D-type body with a high-resolution sensor and low frame rate and sell it for $7k, when the D800 offers exactly the same thing for less than half the price. So, it makes sense to pack the 5D2 successor with all the pro features previously restricted to the 1D line. It's either that or risk annihilation by the D800.

Shadowblade,

I agree 100% with your assessment. The pricepoint of the D800/E is KILLER, almost literally. Also with its incredible video capabilities (from what I've seen and read), it matches and probably surpasses the current Canon. I go back to one of my earlier posts that Nikon should expect a HUGE jump in sales of their pro glass and that was part of their pricing approach.

I almost jumped ship myself to the 5D2, but I have Nikon pro glass and to match that with Canon would take a huge investment. So I am ecstatic I waited for the D800E. I'll sell my D300 for about a grand and have to shell out the balance, but my kit will be - D800E; R1C1 CLS; 17-35AF-S; 24-70G; 105G.

Canon shooters will have to make a decision just like I did, it's going to be very interesting to see what unfolds.

Nicholas
www.copperhillimages.c​om

DarthVader wrote in post #13919390
I can see 50% of POTN members moving to Nikon .

We need a bigger nikon section, other fourms are crappy and low traffic

ching wrote in post #13919816
We need a bigger nikon section, other fourms are crappy and low traffic

I’m not a Nikonian, but I would welcome a Nikon-POTN forum. I will wait for the new 5DIII and take my chances (I think).

Ching will provide candies for every person that switches to Nikon ..right ? .

ching wrote in post #13919816
We need a bigger nikon section, other fourms are crappy and low traffic