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Sony Finally Launches Their 500 f/4....its $17,000

 
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Feb 12, 2012 01:17 |  #31

KenjiS wrote in post #13871946 (external link)
Nikon actually does have a large percentage of the market for high precision fabrication optics last i checked, Meaning they actually win so long as people are making sensors...or anything with integrated circuits...

Yeah, I know Nikon's professional/scientifi​c optics are up there...but that doesn't necessarily translate to consumer products.




  
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Feb 12, 2012 01:25 as a reply to  @ toxic's post |  #32

(What are you guys going on about still)


I think that Sony offers a very serious package. I think too many of us here over speculate and way over think. For the money spent, something should just work.


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Feb 12, 2012 01:39 |  #33

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Yeah, I know Nikon's professional/scientifi​c optics are up there...but that doesn't necessarily translate to consumer products.

No, it doesn't, but it translates to them selling large amounts of the stuff to industrial or corporate clients.


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Feb 12, 2012 08:19 |  #34

toxic wrote in post #13871846 (external link)
From what I gather, Canon is actually at the front of sensor development. Nikon is more receptive to input (kinda have to, they don't have many other businesses), but Canon has more technical expertise. Basically what you really want is Nikon management running Canon engineering.

I'm sure if Canon or Nikon could charge as much as Leica, they'd have stellar reliability. And Leica frankly has it easy, no AF to mess with and low volume.

Leica's S line of lenses for their digital medium format S2 are autofocus, if I had to choose a company to manufacture my lenses it would be Leica.




  
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Feb 12, 2012 09:34 |  #35

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No, it doesn't, but it translates to them selling large amounts of the stuff to industrial or corporate clients.

Which is potentially highly profitable and perhaps more stable than the consumer market in some ways... its a fairly guaranteed source of income

Canon has their copier division, which WAS a massive money maker for them(And was a reason their Camera stuff used to be cheap) but i remember one of their largest distributors got bought up by Xerox and it caused Canon some problmes..... i believe they also have fabrication optics as well, But not as large of a market as Nikon... Canon also makes sensors in house... and of course they make Printers

Nikon outsources sensor production to various companies, Sony is most common but if i remember right they also have gotten sensors from Mitsubishi and Toshiba before....could be wrong...

Sony right now...Well they were big dog in the Electronics industry but they've fallen a bit in the last few years, namely due to the inability to compete on cost/features against the competition, They're not the only ones, Mitsubishi and Hitachi are all but gone in the US from what I've seen because of LG and especially Samsung pushing them all out of the market (Which leaves you with Panasonic, Sony, Toshiba and Sharp outside of the Korean-made sets)

But Sony fabricates a lot of stuff, ICs, Sensors, etc, a large chunk of point and shoots and camera phones use Sony sensors, including the iPhone 4S....Sony also seems to realize their mistake with their home electronics and seems on a path to right wrongs and rebuild its customer image (Probubly around the time most peoples Samsungs/Vizios have crapped the hell out on them and they're not too happy when Samsung/Vizio tells them to go **** themselves and buy a new TV)

And Sony of course has their entire entertainment division, Which generally does pretty well, Especially the SCE division (Which is responsible for the Playstation stuff)

Oh and dont forget how much digital production is done with Sony cameras and equipment, Sony has a HUGE share of the market for TV production....

For those curious, Leica makes a lot of surveying equipment and measuring tools, Zeiss makes a lot of medical imaging and ophthalmologist equipment, in fact id say most of the doctors i've been to uses Zeiss optics and scopes...

Diversification is important in the electronics industry...which is where the photography industry is now very much located... whether you do well in multiple areas or not is another question...also how far you diversify...

A lot of things i mentioned above are slightly more stable than the consumer market and theres more of an opportunity for high markups that consumers wont tolerate...


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Feb 12, 2012 13:02 |  #36

Considering the Canon 500mm f/4 IS costs $6999, $10K less than the Sony, why wouldn't a photog just buy the Canon and a Canon body to boot? They'd save thousands, or have thousands to spend on other gear.


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Feb 12, 2012 13:05 |  #37

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Considering the Canon 500mm f/4 IS costs $6999, $10K less than the Sony, why wouldn't a photog just buy the Canon and a Canon body to boot? They'd save thousands, or have thousands to spend on other gear.

As i said, you could get a 1DX and 500mm f/4L IS and still have like...$4k in your pocket...going apples to apples you could get a 7D instead and still pocket close to 10K

Also the Mark II is coming soon, and while it will be a hair more than $6999 (Probubly $8999..) its still half the cost..

Heck if you wanna be more brutal, Whats a Sigma 500mm f/4.5 going for? I've seen a copy or two go for $2k or -less- on ebay before if you're patient... and its a stonking great lens (OK its no Canon L, but its pretty close IQ-wise..the AF just isnt as failproof)


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Feb 12, 2012 13:09 as a reply to  @ KenjiS's post |  #38

Actually, the 500/4 IS II will weigh 3,190 g (7.03 lb), with Sony's lens weighing in at 3,460 g (7.63 lb).

(Source: Dpreview.com/SLRgear.c​om.)




  
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Feb 12, 2012 13:14 |  #39

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Actually, the 500/4 IS II will weigh 3,190 g (7.03 lb), with Sony's lens weighing in at 3,460 g (7.63 lb).

(Source: Dpreview.com/SLRgear.c​om.)

Oh darn, My apologies then for making assumptions, I thought the old one was more like 7.5lbs, its 8.5...i also mussed up with the 2lb assumption


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Feb 12, 2012 16:32 as a reply to  @ KenjiS's post |  #40

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I wouldn't mind a collaborative arrangement between all the companies to produce gear.

Sony produces sensors
Nikon produces bodies
Canon produces lenses, with Zeiss optics.
Leica in charge of quality control.

Best idea ever!!

But really 17K for this lens? Yeah I think I'll stop complaining about Canon's recent lens prices!!




  
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Feb 12, 2012 17:30 |  #41

^- all i think of when Shadowblade said that was this:

Heaven is where:

The police are British
The mechanics are German
The cooks are French
The lovers are Italian
The teenagers are Japanese
The movie makers are American
The musicians are Russian
The women are Swedish
And the whole thing is organized by the Swiss;


Hell is where:

The police are German
The mechanics are French
The cooks are British
The lovers are Swiss
The teenagers are American
The movie makers are Japanese
The musicians are Swedish
The women are Russian
And the whole thing is organized by the Italians...


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