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Nov 21, 2005 12:50 |  #16

Kinda off topic. I have the BG-E2 for my 20D, I have had it since before Canon started fixing them. I have never encountered any problem with it, should I send it in for the "fixes"?


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Nov 21, 2005 13:07 as a reply to  @ Traci_Ann's post |  #17

If it works, no. If you do send it in, you'll be out the cost of shipping, plus it may come back worse than when you sent it in.


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Nov 21, 2005 13:18 as a reply to  @ post 940085 |  #18

Marshall wrote:
The 6AA holder is for emergency back up. I believe the batteries are used sequencialy the right hand one first. Would think therefore you could mix your batteries, although better a matching set, The 1800ah from Sterlingtek are so cheap & powerful why not a matched pair, use your odd ones for back up & forget the AA holder. Bear in mind that you can use 1 battery only in the BG-E2.

I'm not sure if you're talking about the AAs or the 511s when you say left to right. I'm pretty sure that's not the case, because if I use the camera for an hour or two then charge the batteries, both need to be charged.


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Nov 21, 2005 14:25 as a reply to  @ post 939776 |  #19

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ok thanks, so no harm is done to the batteries when using different ones?
On every electronic device, it's always stated that you shouldn't mix different capacities or batteries, that's why I'm asking...

Actually do a test run. I do not believe the batteries are utilized in a parallel fasion (drawing from both). I believe they are utilized in a serial fasion (first one, then the second one).

Easy to test, once you have the grip. Put both batteries in and use the camera all day. Once you get the "half" battery symbol, charge the batteries, one at a time (or on two separate chargers) and not the time difference.

Based on my casual observance, I have definitely noticed one battery really low vs the other, when I recharge the Bp's after a day of use.

What this means, in general, is that the "camera" does not know there are two DIFFERENT batteries (1390 vs 1800), but that there is a battery available.

The grip also works on one battery which also supports the serial nature of the grip.

But, I like to keep my batteries together in common. 2x1800; 2x1500; 2x1900 (1x1390).


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Nov 21, 2005 14:26 as a reply to  @ post 940085 |  #20

Marshall wrote:
The 6AA holder is for emergency back up. I believe the batteries are used sequencialy the right hand one first. Would think therefore you could mix your batteries, although better a matching set, The 1800ah from Sterlingtek are so cheap & powerful why not a matched pair, use your odd ones for back up & forget the AA holder. Bear in mind that you can use 1 battery only in the BG-E2.

The AA's are a joke. I tried it once and within 10-15 minutes, the camera was crying low battery...the AA's haven't touched my grip since.


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Nov 21, 2005 14:27 as a reply to  @ post 940105 |  #21

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Everything that I can learn about the grip tells me that the two batteries are in parallel. That means that a weak battery would take down a good battery. For that reason, I use only one battery at a time in my grip. The biggest advantage of doing that is that you know when one is too weak and when you put a second one in you could throw the first into a charger and keep going.

I have not sent my grip in for the "fix" yet, but should soon. When using the grip, I get a low battery warning long before the battery is actually down too far. Since I have three batteries, though, it isn't a show stopper for me. I just switch them out as needed in the field. For an indoor shoot, I take a charger along.

My experience has been the opposite.


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Nov 21, 2005 15:40 as a reply to  @ Todd Jacobsen's post |  #22

Todd Jacobsen wrote:
My experience has been the opposite.

Could you be a little more explicit, Todd? I'm still juggling the idea of living with mine the way it is versus sending it in. I called the repair center today and they refused to tell me what the "fix" really entails.


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Nov 21, 2005 16:44 as a reply to  @ SkipD's post |  #23

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Could you be a little more explicit, Todd? I'm still juggling the idea of living with mine the way it is versus sending it in. I called the repair center today and they refused to tell me what the "fix" really entails.

Sorry Skip.

I was referring to your experience with the grip using the batteries in parallel. I've noted (no scientific but repeatable) large differences in recharge time for my batteries once I reach the 1/2 battery marker (which is my indication to swap out batteries). Since I keep my batteries in sets (so I can assess battery loss based on origination source - Sterlintek, Hong Kong, etc), my batteries have similar amp levels. If the batteries were used in parallel, I should see identical repower times, I don't.

I do know that once the first battery dies, the camera goes to 1/2 power immediately. It makes sense, but since 1/2 power is the ONLY power indication, outside of NO POWER, I always use this indication to swap and recharge.


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Nov 22, 2005 00:59 as a reply to  @ Todd Jacobsen's post |  #24

Todd Jacobsen wrote:
My experience has been the opposite.

I agree. From all my times of use, when I recharged my batteries from the grip, sometimes one battery had to charge for a long time and the other was completely full of juice still, even though my led(not that accurate) was at half.


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Nov 22, 2005 11:55 as a reply to  @ grego's post |  #25

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I agree. From all my times of use, when I recharged my batteries from the grip, sometimes one battery had to charge for a long time and the other was completely full of juice still, even though my led(not that accurate) was at half.

But see, that makes sense. You have 2 batteries, one goes dead, you only have one left, so you have HALF your battery life left...

I haven't done a study to determine whether or not the camera lets you stay at half battery life TWICE as long, as say, one battery setup. Or for that matter, if I'm at FULL power twice as long.

Because 1/2 is the only indication on the camera of battery drain - prior to NO POWER, I haven't considered it prudent to push it. I just change and refill.


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Nov 24, 2005 02:07 as a reply to  @ Todd Jacobsen's post |  #26

Is there a "date" on the grip?

Will that tell you if there has been an "upgrade" to the grip?

Thanks!


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Nov 24, 2005 10:35 as a reply to  @ AlexMa's post |  #27

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Is there a "date" on the grip?

Will that tell you if there has been an "upgrade" to the grip?

Thanks!

There's a serial number after which the power warning problem was reportedly fixed. The affected range is reportedly 000001 - 096000. These will also have the AA holder with silver (colour) contacts whereas the newer ones have gold.


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Nov 27, 2005 04:07 as a reply to  @ Jon's post |  #28

Thanks!

So, if my aa pak has "gold" contacts, then I should be o k?


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Nov 27, 2005 12:16 |  #29

Should be.


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